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[#] Sun Oct 26 2008 13:25:53 EDT from triLcat @ Uncensored

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might be 256

[#] Sun Oct 26 2008 13:57:30 EDT from LoanShark @ Uncensored

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not sure i'd recommend < 512, even with linux.

[#] Sun Oct 26 2008 14:38:11 EDT from triLcat @ Uncensored

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I probably won't get the thing 'til sometime next week. When I know its specs, I'll post.

I'm thinking of just office & straight webbrowsing

[#] Sun Oct 26 2008 17:51:51 EDT from dothebart @ Uncensored

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Sa Okt 25 2008 10:18:09 EDT von Ragnar Danneskjold@uncnsrd

Oct 25 2008 9:36am from IGnatius T Foobar @uncnsrd
flynn: you're asking the wrong question. The market share of Windows
has nothing to do with the quality of the product. The only thing
Windows has going for it right now is its incumbency. Studies have
shown that people who don't have any computer experience and who don't

know anything about the network effect of Windows, tend to select Linux

or Apple when given the opportunity to evaluate all three.

Actually I doubt that's true....

I just saw a thing about the Asus Eee PC. Comes in two flavors - Linux and Windows. The vast majority of the returns are the Linux version... And not only that, people are returning them for the Windows version because they find the Linux version is difficult to use.

And, I'm also sure it's getting harder and harder to find people with no computer experience at all.

Ragnar, what you're telling here is just plain wrong.

I know that statement, its not from Asus, Its another of those netbook manufacturers.

In contrast, Asus has a complmntary statement; its lower.

[#] Sun Oct 26 2008 17:57:23 EDT from dothebart @ Uncensored

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So Okt 26 2008 14:38:11 EDT von triLcat@uncnsrd

I probably won't get the thing 'til sometime next week. When I know its specs, I'll post.

I'm thinking of just office & straight webbrowsing

Browsing in general is a big mem-eater.

maybe using opera enlightens it a bit; mozilla told they' d slim ff 3.x, but we'll see....

[#] Sun Oct 26 2008 23:12:23 EDT from LoanShark @ Uncensored

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Well, Firefox 3 certainly uses less memory on RedHat 5 or CentOS 5 32bit than it does on Vista 64-bit. Just fired up my virtual Linux box out of curiousity - the firefox process is using about 45MB of resident memory with a few simple tabs open. The box itself has committed about 200MB with gnome+Apache/PHP+firefox 3 running, or only 120MB with just gnome+firefox 3. So you can probably do some basic web browsing on a 256 meg box, but it might not be pleasant in 100% of circumstances. You might have trouble running OpenOffice at the same time, for instance.

CentOS 5, if it is running on a box with only 256 MB, will insist on activating swap space just to be able to run the installer. That's not the case for a 512 MB box.

[#] Mon Oct 27 2008 01:55:44 EDT from triLcat @ Uncensored

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[#] Mon Oct 27 2008 04:40:30 EDT from dothebart @ Uncensored

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Mo Okt 27 2008 01:55:44 EDT von triLcat@uncnsrd



You can run remote X11 applications on it via xdmcp.

If you've got a powerfull wintendo arround, run on it, and start xdmcp in gdm / kdm and start the X-server on the notebook to poll it.

[#] Mon Oct 27 2008 12:31:34 EDT from dothebart @ Uncensored

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on codeproject... M$ fanboy site... For shure my vote went to crap ;-)

Do you defend the reputation of Windows Vista?

Survey period: 27 Oct 2008 to 3 Nov 2008

When friends, family or colleagues say "Vista Is Crap, [Other Technology] is better" what do you do?

I usually argue that Vista is (overall) a better choice11422.14114 votes, 22.14%
I usually discuss the pros and cons of each OS in a balanced manner12223.69122 votes, 23.69%
I usually agree that Vista is crap18435.73184 votes, 35.73%
I avoid these arguements. Each to their own.9518.4595 votes, 18.45%
Total515  100%515 votes

[#] Mon Oct 27 2008 12:36:24 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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But it's the most reliable and stable version of Windows EVAR!!!!!1 :)

[#] Mon Oct 27 2008 12:56:28 EDT from LoanShark @ Uncensored

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It's not horrible, and it's now slow or unstable, it's just bloated. When everybody has 6-8gig boxes, running Vista won't make people so nervous.

[#] Mon Oct 27 2008 13:22:49 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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I dunno. On those rare occasions when I find myself working on a Vista machine, it only takes about two minutes to get to the point where I want to kill someone over the brain-damaged UI.

[#] Mon Oct 27 2008 14:40:50 EDT from Ford II @ Uncensored

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Somebody made a comment a while ago about macos being easier to use than windows.
I dunno, mac linux and windows all seem the same to me. They're equally annoying because they're all the same.
They all have files on disk with a type and a size and a date.
They all have panels of group items or applications that function within a square space.
They all have a mouse and a mouse pointer that points to the upper left.
Exactly what is the difference between them that one can be so much better than another?
Fleeb's memorable discussion of how long it takes to copy and delete files is a vote down for windows, but from other usability factors, how can one possibly be signifigantly better or worse than the others.

[#] Mon Oct 27 2008 14:48:04 EDT from fleeb @ Uncensored

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Vista is by far slower than any Windows OS I've used to date.

Which is somewhat unfair, sorta, because each new operating system Microsoft releases is slower than the one previously released, as they continue to add more bloat to it.

XP started faster than some of its predecesors, but Vista starts slower than XP (at least for me).

Further, Vista outright fails to work properly for me, even after SP1. If I attempt to copy a file to a place where a file of the same name exists, it pops up a message box asking me if I want to overwrite the file... except that it pops up the window in some hidden place where I cannot see it, and cannot respond to it. This effectively locks the source file, and I'm fucked (until I log out, and in again, which takes a very long time to accomplish, and is ridiculously disruptive to me).

That's at least *one* of the problems.

[#] Mon Oct 27 2008 14:48:54 EDT from triLcat @ Uncensored

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Crashiness is certainly a factor, as is memory hogging.

[#] Mon Oct 27 2008 14:49:24 EDT from fleeb @ Uncensored

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Not everyone finds MacOS easy to use.

[#] Mon Oct 27 2008 14:52:30 EDT from fleeb @ Uncensored

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(The previous link is perhaps not safe for work, as it has profanity in it.
But it's damned funny."

[#] Tue Oct 28 2008 12:52:20 EDT from BOFHMike @ My Castle Wall

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Mon Oct 27 2008 17:22:49 UTC from IGnatius T Foobar@uncnsrd (Uncensored)

I dunno. On those rare occasions when I find myself working on a Vista machine, it only takes about two minutes to get to the point where I want to kill someone over the brain-damaged UI.
IG=Job {in the OT Biblical referance}

[#] Tue Oct 28 2008 19:44:06 EDT from Ford II @ Uncensored

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Yes, good mac ad. Tell it like it is brotha.

[#] Fri Oct 31 2008 10:21:49 EDT from dothebart @ Uncensored

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*lol* they can't even distinguish between thei own projects.

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