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[#] Tue Jul 08 2008 09:56:27 EDT from Freakdog @ Dog Pound BBS II

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IF somebody offered you a ton of money such that you could retire in 2

years of killing yourself at work, AND you enjoyed the work, you
wouldn't even consider it?

If such a situation were to be guaranteed, then yes, I'd consider it.

[#] Wed Jul 09 2008 08:45:29 EDT from Shadowhawk @ Haven BBS

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2 years of killing myself at work?  No.  I'll work a lesser paying job for longer, and be healthier in the long run, than work like that.

[#] Wed Jul 09 2008 09:58:01 EDT from Ford II @ Uncensored

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2 years of hard work and never have to lift a finger again for the rest of your life?

[#] Wed Jul 09 2008 10:53:49 EDT from triLcat @ Uncensored

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I'd take it in a second, though it would have been even more appealing when I was single

[#] Wed Jul 09 2008 12:48:58 EDT from fleeb @ Uncensored

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Microsoft, in not providing a multi-select option for their component designer, has helped increase the amount of misery in this world considerably.

[#] Wed Jul 09 2008 13:14:43 EDT from fleeb @ Uncensored

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If anyone here happens to have the misfortune of being forced to use these Windows Embedded tools to build an image, you will have the joys of experiencing, quite possibly, one of the worst GUI interfaces ever created.

It's astonishingly bad. Almost as if Microsoft is attempting to dissuade you from using the product. I'm not sure if you can accidentally build something this terrible.

[#] Wed Jul 09 2008 13:20:58 EDT from fleeb @ Uncensored

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What a fucking mindbending waste of time.


Do people sit at home and dream of ways to make others miserable in this fashion? Is it some kind of special passtime, the joy of which I do not grasp?
How the fuck did people come to think of Microsoft as providing nice, easy-to-use user interfaces when they consistently make shit that sucks *this* *bad*?

[#] Wed Jul 09 2008 13:24:42 EDT from fleeb @ Uncensored

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(oh, and the dialogs won't even fucking resize... they didn't even have the decency to do that...)

[#] Wed Jul 09 2008 16:34:31 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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do not grasp? How the fuck did people come to think of Microsoft as
providing nice, easy-to-use user interfaces when they consistently make

shit that sucks *this* *bad*?

I refer you once again to my unifying theory, also known as "IG's First Rule Of Everything."

[#] Wed Jul 09 2008 16:36:28 EDT from fleeb @ Uncensored

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Reading my own words, as quoted, I realize I have a grammatical error.

[#] Wed Jul 09 2008 21:13:16 EDT from Ford II @ Uncensored

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Consider this, way back when geek programmers wrote software and lets facfe face it, if you weren't a programmer, the interface sucked because it was written by a geek not a end user type.
but now, we have shitty programmers, and they don't even know how to write decent software, so their perspective on an interface design is likley to e even worse.

[#] Thu Jul 10 2008 08:46:56 EDT from fleeb @ Uncensored

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I'm not sure I completely agree with that.

I've met some fine programmers who couldn't write a decent GUI.

Interface, maybe, but not a reasonable GUI.

[#] Thu Jul 10 2008 08:52:23 EDT from triLcat @ Uncensored

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Writing decent gui for a system with more than a few functions is really really difficult.

That's why there are usability experts.

[#] Thu Jul 10 2008 08:54:13 EDT from fleeb @ Uncensored

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Heh... the funny thing about usability experts is that, with a little thought, you can probably come up with something yourself that doesn't totally suck.

You just have to think like a human being, and not like a programming god.

[#] Thu Jul 10 2008 08:58:27 EDT from triLcat @ Uncensored

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the problem is that when you're so involved in something, it's hard to take that step back.

I worked at a company that believed in doing everything in-house. They thought that a graphic artist was the same as a gui designer. The workflow ended up being illogical and completely sucking. Didn't matter that they had the best technology in the field. If I can't use it easily, I might as well use the cd to scare pigeons off my patio...

[#] Thu Jul 10 2008 09:18:36 EDT from fleeb @ Uncensored

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Well... we do pretty much everything in-house as well, due to expense.

And, honestly, I don't think we make terrible GUIs. We just put a little more thought into things.

Then again, we have some good talent here. Maybe that's the difference.

[#] Thu Jul 10 2008 09:45:01 EDT from dothebart @ Uncensored

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i hate these ui's where you have to click all over the place to find the buttons.

I call them "intuitive", and thats the reason i refuse to use inuitive software. 

[#] Thu Jul 10 2008 09:57:37 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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GUI design has to follow the "element of least surprise" -- any given function should appear in the first place a user looks for it.

[#] Thu Jul 10 2008 10:05:09 EDT from fleeb @ Uncensored

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Of course, you have to know where that 'first place' exists to do it right.

That takes knowing your customer.

[#] Thu Jul 10 2008 11:36:41 EDT from dothebart @ Uncensored

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now windows can tell you when its worth wile to wipe it and start over... 

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