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[#] Fri May 27 2016 13:15:06 EDT from Ragnar Danneskjold @ Uncensored

Subject: Re: tl;dr: Desktops are only important for businesses

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So yeah, client-side Linux is /winning/ unless you artificially
narrow your view to "x86 hardware with an X Window desktop."  That's
like saying McDonald's is a failure because they don't sell as many
fish sandwiches as Popeye's.


I thought more about this. Linux (for most people) is an ecosystem, not just a kernel. Calling a Chromebook "linux" is just as silly as GNU/Linux.
At the end of the day, no one really give a damn about the kernel.

[#] Fri May 27 2016 16:05:01 EDT from zooer @ Uncensored

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Fri May 27 2016 11:39:49 AM EDT from Ragnar Danneskjold @ Uncensored
Chromebooks are a joke 

What if you just want some piece of crap beater for use when traveling?



[#] Fri May 27 2016 17:24:28 EDT from Ragnar Danneskjold @ Uncensored

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I guess it depends on what you're doing. You can pick up a Lenovo Ideapad 100S for $160. And it will be far more capable than any Chromebook.

[#] Fri May 27 2016 19:11:02 EDT from zooer @ Uncensored

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That has almost the same crappy specs as my current low-end 11 year old laptop.  I don't think Chrome supports 32bit anymore.



[#] Fri May 27 2016 19:23:14 EDT from zooer @ Uncensored

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Fri May 27 2016 05:24:28 PM EDT from Ragnar Danneskjold @ Uncensored
I guess it depends on what you're doing.

 

Mostly checking gmail, and surfing. It is just something to use when traveling.  I would like it to be able to run linux. 

 

 



[#] Sat May 28 2016 23:58:44 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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Chromebooks are a joke and not really being used in the real world.

And any computer smaller than a mainframe is a joke and not really being used in the real world. IBM is still leading.

[#] Sun May 29 2016 17:29:36 EDT from the_mgt @ Uncensored

Subject: Re: tl;dr: Desktops are only important for businesses

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Fri May 27 2016 11:29:49 EDTfrom IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored Subject: Re: tl;dr: Desktops are only important for businesses

Since everything's done in a browser now (yes Netscape really did win the browser war) none of this really matters anymore.  

I was talking business as in "an architecture bureau" or other people involved in constructing/planning buildings. I am not aware of any CAD software that runs in a browser and is professionally used. Even SketchUp, as much as it looks like a toy, is installed on real desktops. Engineers use even more programs, to calculate lights for a room, airflow for a storage or whatever. All of them could be browserbased, but what would be the business model of selling a website overhaul for several 1000€? No, the companies want to sell a "real" new version with proper install medium and a shiny new package. You wouldn't believe the fuss they make about packages.

Most letter-pushers or secretaries could use a browser based software, but I personally maintain only one place where a person uses Citrix to connect to another branch. I am not sure if developers (real ones, not web developers) would use a browser based IDE...

Case in point: another area where Linux is kicking Apple's ass is with Chromebooks.  Chromebooks outsold Macs for the first time in Q1 2016.  Expect this trend to continue.

I have yet to see any person putting a chromebook to proper use. I see lots of laptops from cheap to expensive, tablets of all varieties and really lots of Macs at the university. Maybe I didn't notice it.

So yeah, client-side Linux is winning unless you artificially narrow your view to "x86 hardware with an X Window desktop."  That's like saying McDonald's is a failure because they don't sell as many fish sandwiches as Popeye's.

Linux, at least to me, is more than a kernel buttraped by a java abomination. I do not count Windows Phone or Windows CE or any other thing as a "Windows system" either. Fuck, the useless piece of car "entertainment system" in our crappiest car runs a chinese warez version of CE. That is not a client-side windows I would count in any statitic. 



[#] Mon May 30 2016 10:53:54 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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There are always exceptions. If I was putting together an audio production studio I'd buy a Mac -- a niche computer for a niche business, but that's where the software is. For engineering you'd go where the software is as well (there was a time when that meant a Sun machine, but now that's Windows too).

The point is, however, that every year, fewer and fewer programs require a full blown client side computing environment. This cannot be denied.

Let's be realistic: most of the Macs in your coffee shop spend 100% of their uptime viewing Facebook in a web browser.

When I was starting up my computer a few minutes ago, before I remembered this conversation, I was thinking "here we go again, just a browser and a terminal program -- I ought to finish installing Guacamole so I can move the terminal stuff into the browser too"

If a Chromebook isn't a real computer because it can't run AutoCAD, then a Windows machine isn't a real computer because it can't run CICS and TSO and JCL.

[#] Mon May 30 2016 16:06:43 EDT from wizard of aahz @ Uncensored

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I might like to mention that I've started looking for things that don't run in a web browser for productivity for me. It takes too dang long to find the right browser window.

[#] Mon May 30 2016 21:16:18 EDT from Ragnar Danneskjold @ Uncensored

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A lot has to do with your workload.... I *could* spend most of my day using nothing but a tablet. I actually did that while traveling this weekend. But I wouldn't want to do it on a regular basis.... Chromebooks have that same vibe.

[#] Mon May 30 2016 23:20:16 EDT from wizard of aahz @ Uncensored

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Workload?? Nah. I don't do any of that.

[#] Tue May 31 2016 09:59:35 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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Laptops will never succeed either. The screens and keyboards are too small.

[#] Tue May 31 2016 13:24:06 EDT from Ragnar Danneskjold @ Uncensored

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Over time, things may change. But the user experience on a Chromebook generally sucks.

And back to my original point, thinking that a Chromebook is Linux is just a way to try and boost the Linux desktop paradigm. It's no more Linux (other than a kernel) than my Commodore PET.

[#] Tue May 31 2016 13:30:55 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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I don't like the user experience on a Mac. But the fact that you don't like a user experience doesn't make it any less of a real computer. And I'm sure someone has Linux running on a PET somewhere...

[#] Tue May 31 2016 14:18:11 EDT from Ragnar Danneskjold @ Uncensored

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Hard to say. To me a Chromebook is more like a calculator. It's got a pre-defined usefulness. While you can throw some apps on to make it more useful, it's still more tablet than anything else.

And I like simple systems. But there are times you need to dig under the hood, and the Chromebook has removed that.

Maybe you're just hostile towards users. ;)

[#] Tue May 31 2016 15:13:04 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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Apple doesn't make all of its operating system source code available to everyone, so their computers also have a limited, pre-defined usefulness.

Oh and here's a Commodore PET running Linux: http://www.technewsworld.com/story/82273.html

[#] Tue May 31 2016 16:08:15 EDT from Ragnar Danneskjold @ Uncensored

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And how many people really dig around their OS source to fix anything? It's barely measureable.



[#] Tue May 31 2016 16:35:39 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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So what you're basically saying here is, "There is no objective definition; it's a 'real computer' when *I* say it is."

[#] Tue May 31 2016 16:55:39 EDT from Ragnar Danneskjold @ Uncensored

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You're being intentionally obtuse in order to "win". Stop it. A Chromebook is at best a computer that's been hobbled by its creator.


It's the modern dumb terminal.

[#] Tue May 31 2016 17:11:16 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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I'm being intentionally obtuse to point out the fatal flaw of your argument.
You don't think a Chromebook is a real computer, full stop.

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