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[#] Wed Dec 23 2015 15:39:57 EST from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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Just wanted to remind everyone that Android is just a passing fad.  The iFanbois have assured us that the latest iPhones and iPads will squash it, any day now...

IDC: Smartphone OS Market Share 2015, 2014, 2013, and 2012 Chart

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[#] Wed Dec 23 2015 23:41:19 EST from ryan42 @ Uncensored

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If you go off of operating system then Android wins hands down but they have infinitely more brand saturaiton than Apple's iOS (which ships on exactly one brand of device). If you flip over to the vendors page on the same link, They're doing pretty well.

Android cannot possibly go away; it's ubiquitous on every single non-Apple smartphone. It doesn't need to either. We don't need any more technologies to "squash" any other technologies at this point.

[#] Fri Dec 25 2015 00:11:00 EST from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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True, and I didn't mean to imply that either brand needed to be "squashed" at all. The Android/iPhone balance is fine the way it is; even better is the fact that they've pretty much denied Windows entry into the market. (It's tough to enter as a third player, as Linux desktop fans know all too well.)

I am simply pointing out how amusing it is that after the Apple faithful spent so much time chanting that Android was a pale imitation and it would never fare well against the iPhone, it has become *the* commodity OS for handhelds.

[#] Fri Dec 25 2015 00:57:19 EST from ryan42 @ Uncensored

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Ah. Coming from a happy iPhone/Mac user... anyone who ever thought iOS would push Android out of the market is silly. Anyone who actually wanted iOS to push Android out of the market is even sillier. I'm still bummed Firefox OS seems to be dead-ending.


There are not enough players in this game anymore.

[#] Mon Dec 28 2015 13:41:35 EST from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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If the market is so entrenched into two operating systems that even Microsoft can't gain a foothold, the chances of Firefox OS, Ubuntu Phone, or pretty much anyone else establishing a presence in the market for smartphone OS is exactly zero.

It's all Apple and Google for this generation, whether we like it or not.



[#] Tue Dec 29 2015 11:41:36 EST from dothebart @ Uncensored

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At least should the other linux backed phone os'es have a headstart on hardware support ;-)



[#] Fri Jan 15 2016 12:16:13 EST from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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True ... although a third mobile OS has absolutely no chance of taking hold at this point, at least the hardware support could enable phone hardware to be turned into "little Linux computers" -- plug a keyboard and monitor into the phone and boot into Debian -- that sort of thing.



[#] Fri Jan 15 2016 15:09:34 EST from zooer @ Uncensored

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Some short of Chromebook?



[#] Sat Jan 16 2016 13:02:41 EST from dothebart @ Uncensored

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meanwhile there is gnuroot android, which boots a basic debian. In combination with the brazil term, its sort of useable ;-)



[#] Sat Apr 16 2016 18:07:12 EDT from the_mgt @ Uncensored

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Hardware support in linux on mobile devices is basically depending on libhybris to be able to pull the android drivers over.

It seems that it is all windows 3.1 again on the driver side. They are crap, scarce and a linux has unbelievable pains to adapt to this situation.

Add to that the fact that new android devices are defecated onto the world like cockroaches on fertilizer, there is no chance to catch up. Ubuntu and Tizen do not seem to get a foot into the door, at least not in european and asian markets and sailfish almost drowned because of stupid choices in management and a "sudden" stop in the cash flow. See http://reviewjolla.blogspot.de/p/devices.html for a list of possible devices.



[#] Mon Apr 18 2016 15:31:04 EDT from LoanShark @ Uncensored

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Well, I believe a lot of the display stuff is and will remain closed-source - such as the PowerVR controller that I understand to be widely integrated in Android devices. "Open" source ain't what it used to be.

[#] Sat May 21 2016 23:14:48 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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Some short of Chromebook?

Chrome OS is supposedly going to be able to run Android apps soon, so it makes sense.

If you think about it, this would mean that the industry finally caught up to Sun's vision of "Network Computing" back in the late 1990's. Back then it didn't work because there wasn't enough connectivity, and their implementation required rewriting the entire universe in Java. Now here we are some 20 years later, the requisite high speed network is ubiquitous, and network computing is being built around platforms that actually have thriving software ecosystems built around them.

See, I was right, it was the correct way forward! :)

[#] Sun May 22 2016 11:00:13 EDT from LoanShark @ Uncensored

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It's happening because of tablets that were first implemented as scaled-up phones rather than scaled-down PCs; having a thin-client became *mandatory.* Sun was right about the destination, but wrong about how we would get there.

[#] Mon May 23 2016 11:36:33 EDT from the_mgt @ Uncensored

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Oddly enough, tablets suck as scaled down PCs, at least the MS variety. They work rather fine as scaled up phones.

What escapes me is, why Apple only sales a 128gb iPad Pro. 128Gb is hardly enough for semi-pro usage. 256gb is the smallest SSD I build into the computers of my clients, and they all store their important data on the office NAS/server. For a truly mobile device, 512gb is the minimum.



[#] Mon May 23 2016 12:09:46 EDT from Ragnar Danneskjold @ Uncensored

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Apple screwed up with the Pro.... No USB. No SD card reader. No convenient storage for the pen.

Windows 10 has overcome some of the problems with the laptop/tablet hybrid.

And the whole Android ecosphere is badly fragmented. Too many implementations and too many BAD ones at that.

[#] Mon May 23 2016 13:33:51 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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Sun was right about the destination, but wrong
about how we would get there.

That's kind of what I was getting at. :)

If you think about it, that destination is kind of obvious. Anyone who's been in IT more than 25 years or so remembers how blissful things were when everyone had a terminal on their desk. The worst thing that could happen was that it broke, and the beginning and end of "deskside support" was sending someone up with a new terminal to replace the broken one.

(Yes, we had other problems then, but cat-herding a bunch of desktop computers was not one of them.)

Tablets were *not* first implemented as scaled-up phones. We had them as scaled-down PC's for nearly two decades. Nobody wanted them. Anyone who was forced to run "Pen Windows" spent more time wanting to stab someone with the pen than actually making good use of the computer. Tablet computers were actually Bill Gates' pet project for a very long time; he simply didn't have the vision to build one that was actually usable, and there were no good ones out there to copycat until Google and Apple showed Microsoft how it's done.

[#] Mon May 23 2016 14:09:15 EDT from Ragnar Danneskjold @ Uncensored

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actually usable, and there were no good ones out there to copycat until

Google and Apple showed Microsoft how it's done.



And they still don't get it right.....

[#] Mon May 23 2016 14:31:34 EDT from Freakdog @ Dog Pound BBS II

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What escapes me is, why Apple only sales a 128gb iPad Pro. 128Gb is
hardly enough for semi-pro usage. 256gb is the smallest SSD I build
into the computers of my clients, and they all store their important
data on the office NAS/server. For a truly mobile device, 512gb is
the minimum.

The next version of iPhone is supposed to max out at 256G...it would not surprise me to see the iPads go along.

[#] Tue May 24 2016 06:28:23 EDT from the_mgt @ Uncensored

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Mon May 23 2016 12:09:46 EDT from Ragnar Danneskjold @ Uncensored
Apple screwed up with the Pro.... No USB. No SD card reader. No convenient storage for the pen.

Windows 10 has overcome some of the problems with the laptop/tablet hybrid.

And the whole Android ecosphere is badly fragmented. Too many implementations and too many BAD ones at that.

Hm, I just read that they offer a 256gb version of the pro on the homepage. The shop I visited recently announced a maximum of 128gb.

Anyway, you can meanwhile attach usb storages that also have a lightning connector and you also have a lightning to sd card reader, at least for images from camera cards.

I can completely understand why they omit the internal sdxc card reader, they are only good for storing your music. Any advanced usage is a hassle and hassle has no intersecting set with their target audience.

Windows 10 still sucks, I recently set up a Surface Pro and we use an Acer tablet at work. They are gadgets that can't be conveniently used without mouse/keyboard.

And I agree with your views on Android.

 

 



[#] Tue May 24 2016 10:38:36 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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And I agree with your views on Android.

In general, however, people who buy mobile phones don't agree.

[ http://www.gartner.com/newsroom/id/3323017 ]

I know, inside the RDF "global market share doesn't matter" but in the real world, Android is now 84.1% of the market (up from 78.8% this time last year) and Apple is only 14.8% (down from 17.9% this time last year).


Apple fans love their iPhones, and that's fine, but Apple is becoming more and more of a minority player every year.

Now for some fun and amusing bits... Windows Phone is now 0.7% (down from 2.5% this time last year), reinforcing the idea that this is a market Microsoft continues to fail at and has absolutely no hope of getting a foothold. It's a complete failure and they really need to get out of that space entirely.

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