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[#] Mon Oct 15 2012 19:17:09 EDT from LoanShark @ Uncensored

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Netbooks suck. Nobody wants to use a 1GB Windows 7 machine -- they aren't usable, far too sluggish. Consumers are choosing tablets, such as iPad, over netbooks. Depends on your use case, of course, but if you just want to take notes/minutes in a meeting a tablet fits the bill nicely.

[#] Mon Oct 15 2012 19:40:50 EDT from zooer @ Uncensored

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Nobody wants to use Windows, but what about a small footprint Linux distro on a netbook? Beats a tablet and a bluetooth
keyboard.

[#] Mon Oct 15 2012 19:55:31 EDT from dothebart @ Uncensored

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I realy like my current netbook, an acer aspire one d522; its got an amd c50 and (now) 4gig ram.

doin' realy good.

I also liked my eee 701 (which had 2G ram afterwards) and my aspire one (which was a little low on memory with a maximum of 1.5G); the eee's screen realy was a little to smalish. the first acer died of broken power cable which then in term sucked.



[#] Mon Oct 15 2012 19:59:05 EDT from dothebart @ Uncensored

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ok, dunno whether one of them would be powerfull enough to run McAffee OS...



[#] Mon Oct 15 2012 21:27:10 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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Netbooks were doing great until Microsoft bullied the OEM's into force-fitting Windows onto them.  That's about the sum of it.

Lots of noise was then made, but it became irrelevant when tablets became popular.  It's deliciously ironic that Microsoft pushed tablets for years, but no one wanted to buy one until Google and Apple showed them the right way to build one.

Anyway, the new Transformer has a 1920x1200 screen.  That's hardly netbook resolution (my HP Mini runs at about half that, 1024x600).  At a fraction of the weight of a laptop, and with a far longer battery life, it would be the perfect machine for me to tote around everywhere.



[#] Mon Oct 15 2012 22:16:35 EDT from Ladyhawke @ Uncensored

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The keyboard issue is a bit annoying.  From a power standpoint, they seem about the same to me, frankly, but I have to admit that I still haven't gotten used to the cutesy tile OS.



[#] Tue Oct 16 2012 04:09:54 EDT from dothebart @ Uncensored

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Mon Oct 15 2012 21:27:10 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

Netbooks were doing great until Microsoft bullied the OEM's into force-fitting Windows onto them.  That's about the sum of it.

Lots of noise was then made, but it became irrelevant when tablets became popular.  It's deliciously ironic that Microsoft pushed tablets for years, but no one wanted to buy one until Google and Apple showed them the right way to build one.

I guess, it has to be 'Apple, Google, Amazon and others'

To be fair one has to mention that billi boys Tablet dreams were terminated because of they couldn't find a reasonable way to run their holy cashcow (office) on it.

Anyway, the new Transformer has a 1920x1200 screen.  That's hardly netbook resolution (my HP Mini runs at about half that, 1024x600).  At a fraction of the weight of a laptop, and with a far longer battery life, it would be the perfect machine for me to tote around everywhere.

these limitations were also put into game by microsoft; as well as memory limitations. At least the very first netbook (eee) wasn't intended for the developed world at all. One could rather call it a cheap knockoff from the OLPC project with intentions to put pressure at microsoft to continue licensing XP since noone liked vista after all.

And, an underpowered win7 pc (I realy dunno why they put anything newer than XP on a box with 1g ram...) is hardly able to run thunderbird and openoffice at once. Even the more powerfull wintendo of my dad is... a time hog? everything is slow, you don't realy see which programs are running... explorer sometimess takes up to a minute to open a branch in its tree...

I guess 'lipstic on the vista pig' sums it up pretty well. And, I guess the process of agonizing their users will be continued with windows 8.



[#] Tue Oct 16 2012 08:19:19 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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It's an interesting thought to consider that netbooks were introduced with the intention of manipulating Micro$oft into selling low-cost XP licenses well into Vista's lifecycle. Most industry analysts seem to agree that this was not the intention, and that M$ kept XP on life support because they didn't like the idea that a new market segment was emerging without them. They didn't want Linux gaining a toehold in that space.

But now Linux *has* a hold in that space, in the form of Android. And of course there is a bunch of overpriced Apple gear in that space as well. We are truly entering the Post-PC Era, and it's about f***ing time.

I think we're going to see at least the following things in the not too distant future:

* Upright desktop monitors with a full Android stack on a SoC built in. Attaching a computer to it will become optional. (Yes, this is "Network Computing" come to fruition -- finally)

* Apple will introduce a keyboard dock for the iPad, and the fanbois will fall all over themselves swooning over Apple's new innovative innovation

* Gartner will announce that Android will have 28000% of the market by 2020 (all those people do is extrapolate trends and predict that they'll continue; nice work if you can get it)

* Marketing materials for Windoze 9 will announce that it's the most fundamentally transformative version of 'doze EVAR!!!!!1

[#] Tue Oct 16 2012 11:51:35 EDT from the8088er @ Uncensored

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* Apple will introduce a keyboard dock for the iPad, and the fanbois

will fall all over themselves swooning over Apple's new innovative
innovation

This already exists. Portrait mode only though. Meh.

[#] Tue Oct 16 2012 12:27:49 EDT from the_mgt @ Uncensored

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I like my 1,6GHz, 3Gb RAM Netbook with a 12" display. Only the keyboard is utter crap and the intel-vt support isn't working. The WinXP Home runs nice but was only used for retrogaming. Linux runs totally fine.

Call Apple overprized, but their OS simply is included in the price and is stylish and ok to use for most people. Also, you need to see the ecological effect: Even old Apple hardware can be sold for a reasonable price. This means it wont end so easily in a trash bin, which leads to a very long lifecycle.

Compare this with Android (which is not Linux, in any way. This is PR trolling par exellance!!) crablets or phones: After one year of useage they are worth nothing, there will be no softwareupdates from upstream (if there ever were any in the first place), some new model replaces your old one and the old one is waste. Waste with a terrible ecological footprint and a far too short lifecycle. And you are still not hip because every single highschool kid oputstyles you with his iphone ;)

The next thing we need is a real linux in the tablet/phone market, like Tizen or some Meego derivat. And I want 64bit ARM quadcores with a Mali GPU,  Do not care if tablet/frankenstein or netbook. I want it fanless and with 12h+ battery life.



[#] Tue Oct 16 2012 17:42:14 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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My one year old SGS2 wishes to disagree with you.

[#] Wed Oct 17 2012 03:10:29 EDT from the8088er @ Uncensored

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There are a lot of things I like about Android but I remain a
satisfied iPhone user. I don't think I'd switch anytime soon to
Android but I have thought about picking a device up just to mess
with.

That being said I feel like the Android phones keep their value well,
and if the manufacturer slacks on updates at least there is a
aftermarket community of sorts with lots of cool alternative
firmwares.

[#] Wed Oct 17 2012 07:48:06 EDT from the_mgt @ Uncensored

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I wouldn't consider the SGS2 to be (or have been) a cheap alternative to an iPhone. So for a "free" operating system, we might even argue that the hardware is significantly overprized compared to an inhouse mobile OS.

And yes, while the reknown android devices have better support for updates, the majority of those devices seem to be fire&forget material.

Also, community tinkered firmware which you can only use if you violate your devices guarantee and know a bit of voodoo is only for nerds, students, and other people with too much time to waste. :D



[#] Wed Oct 17 2012 23:31:36 EDT from LoanShark @ Uncensored

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Apple's so overvalued, with their cash pile they don't know what to do with. And if you are long the S&P500, you are long AAPL to a somewhat disturbing extent.

Actually in truth they are not overvalued, they are just fully valued. Their P/E justifies the price. But they have no further need of outside investment, they don't know what to do with the cash they have... it sorta smells like a "nowhere to go but down" scenario. Not that they haven't been a smashing success--they have. But you wonder where they'll be in 10 years, and whether they'll start to get into a malinvestment scenario.

And they are still a tech stock dependent on erratic consumer behavior and trendy cellphone fads.

[#] Sun Oct 21 2012 17:08:36 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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So far I"'m absolutely loving my new Transformer TF700 [20~[ 'infinity' tablet. It really brings together all of the best features of netbooks and tablets, and the screen is ABSOLUTELY GORGEOUS.

Now I understand why Apple has resorted to cheap litigation shots. They have clearly been outclassed.

[#] Mon Oct 22 2012 00:08:56 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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So far I'm absolutely loving my new Asus Transformer "infinity" (TF700) tablet.
The 1920x1200 screen on this thing is ABSOLUTELY GORGEOUS.

I tried a the new iPad and there's just no comparison. While the Transformer was smooth, intuitive, and flexible, the the new iPad felt clumsy and foreign.

Now I understand why Apple has resorted to litigation to try to preserve their market position. They are quite clearly outclassed.

[#] Mon Oct 22 2012 22:18:34 EDT from the8088er @ Uncensored

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Does it look better than 2048x1536 on the iPad? ;-)

It will feel better for you because you're used to android. When I use an Android I feel lost and confused because I'm not as familiar with the OS. I don't think that makes one better than the other.

At the same time I think the litigation was very silly, though.

[#] Mon Oct 22 2012 23:53:10 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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Yes, for me the 1920x1200 on my Transformer looks better than the 2048x1536 of the the new iPad because the the new iPad simply won't do what I want it to.

I'm sure at some point Apple will come out with a the newer iPad with a keyboard dock and everyone will celebrate their innovation. And I'll give it a second look if they change their stance on not allowing out of market apps to be installed. That one's a show stopper for me.

[#] Tue Oct 23 2012 09:30:54 EDT from Ragnar Danneskjold @ Uncensored

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There have been bluetooth keyboards for the iPad for years.... And lots of companies have cases with them built in... So, it's really a non-issue.



You do have an excellent point about out of market apps. We should have the freedom to fuck up our devices as bad as we want to!

[#] Tue Oct 23 2012 10:02:38 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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There are some nice iPad keyboards out there. The thing about the Transformer keyboard dock that makes it nice is that it's not just a keyboard. It also adds a touchpad (which can be disabled if it's getting in your way), an SD/MMC slot, a USB (host mode) port, and an extra nine hours of battery life for the tablet.

I'd love to see Apple do something like this. Hopefully when they come out with the the new newer iPad and switch to their new proprietary magic connector, they'll move the connector to the long side of the tablet so that keyboard docks can be built that don't require either bluetooth or a folio form factor.


I think the fact that Microsoft ripped off the dockable design rather than Apple's design speaks volumes.


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