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[#] Thu Sep 06 2007 03:31:43 EDT from 2Dog @ Uncensored

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What, *happy* isn't soliciting cyber sex in this room yet? Or did I just miss it?

[#] Mon Sep 10 2007 16:35:15 EDT from dothebart @ Uncensored

Subject: some help wanted...

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It seems, as if there are mac clients around that hickup with citadel. I've heard a citadel admin having troubles with them not being able to cut a mail into the attachment and body part...

Could some (or all of you) add an imap / pop connection to your favourite mac email client and try to send some mails with attachments to your uncensored account and view it? Maybe the citadel support room is a good one to inspect for mails with attachments too. A short note which client you've tested from with other endpoints (webmailers like hotmail/....) would be nice.

Tia! 



[#] Mon Sep 10 2007 23:40:40 EDT from athos-mn @ Uncensored

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They all get mucked up pretty bad, yeah (strangely enough, I hadn't tried before). I'll knock one off to citadel support> for you.

[#] Tue Sep 11 2007 02:44:26 EDT from dothebart @ Uncensored

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Mon 10 Sep 2007 11:40:40 PM EDT from athos-mn@uncnsrd

They all get mucked up pretty bad, yeah (strangely enough, I hadn't tried before). I'll knock one off to citadel support> for you.

whew... awfull.

can you sniff such an imap session? where you look at such a destructed message?

please turn of TLS for that, and... change your password temporarily ;)

 http://www.citadel.org/doku.php/faq:mastering_your_os:net_sniff



[#] Tue Sep 11 2007 16:16:29 EDT from Ford II @ Uncensored

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there really does seem to be a trend that the guys run linux or widows and the girls have a mac.
Except nadia, I guess?
kate's got a powerbook which I think is a g3. it's not fast, but I put 512meg in it and it runs well enough.
I can get actual numbers if anybody really needs to know, but I use that machine once a year so I don't remember much about it.

[#] Tue Sep 11 2007 17:36:05 EDT from Ford II @ Uncensored

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can we iTalk about iStuff in the mac room?

Apparently you can watch full 16x9 video on the new ipod nano.

People use dto be made fun of for hunching over their little laptop, but now they're going to watch full length feature films on a screen the size of my thumb? (I have a rather large thumb as thumbs go.)
This just seems a little beyond silly to me.
Why not make a pair of iGlasses that project two images for video.
I've seen these advertised for an outrageous amoun of money, but I expect if you paint it white and put an 'i' in front of it, people would pay.

[#] Tue Sep 11 2007 17:43:09 EDT from Ford II @ Uncensored

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http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/apple/iphone-software-unlock-confirmed-on-video-297651.php?autoplay=t rue
Become one of the thousands of zombies who will sit and watch a video of an iphone installing software while listening to half a phone conversation that goes on mostly about "un huh, yeah, un huh, yeah." for six minutes.

Geeks are amazing.

[#] Thu Sep 13 2007 12:27:54 EDT from nadia @ Uncensored

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Except nadia, I guess?

yes. but for clarification i work in 2 labs right now where one has linux and windows, and the other has macs.

i have a machine to reinstall at home (when? who knows.) not sure what's going on it yet but it'll be either linux or windows <cough> or both.

[#] Fri Sep 14 2007 15:16:52 EDT from athos-mn @ Uncensored

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dothebart - I'm downloading Wireshark for OS X now - I'll give that a try and send the results to the Citadel Development room.

[#] Mon Sep 17 2007 14:29:54 EDT from athos-mn @ Uncensored

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I ran into a really strange problem today (still working on it - hopefully Retrospect did and does its job properly): guy called said that his G4 running OS X crashed, and was getting the floating question mark saying the machine coulnd't find an operating system. I suggested booting with the option key down, to see if it could find another OS until I could arrive on site.

Apparently it did - an OS 9 system folder, but the entire contents of OS X had been removed. Like it had been formatted.

So, I'm in the process of seeing how well Retrospect does on a full system restore.

[#] Wed Sep 19 2007 11:02:29 EDT from athos-mn @ Uncensored

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Retrospect - blech. Unfortunately, it's still the only real network-based backup solution for the Mac. Backup Exec had some (although I never tried a full-system restore), but since Symantec bought Veritas it's gone down-hill (big shock, that - they destroy anything decent they buy).

Retrospect did restore the system - most of it. Enough was missing that the system is unbootable. There's a long-discontinued program that allowed you to create a working 10.3 on a CD (ala BartPE), but there's no support for 10.4 and it definately won't work on an Intel machine. I'm using the CD to copy the files Retrospect restored back to the server (using Retrospect isn't a good idea - it took more than three hours for 1.25 GB), and then I'll reinstall OS X.

Anyone know if Apple has updated the Mac to allow bootable USB hard drives (they're easier for me to get than Firewire)?

[#] Wed Sep 19 2007 12:50:09 EDT from Lightspeed @ Uncensored

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Intel based Mac's can boot from USB drives as long as you use the GPT partition scheme.

[#] Wed Sep 26 2007 22:35:10 EDT from Peter Pulse @ Uncensored

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So I was talking to my friend today, and we were talking about, among other things, the iPhone and how the UI is pretty unique... And how PDAs, phones and computers are kind of becoming a lot of the same thing. For most people the computer is an appliance.. and all the complaints people had about the original mac.. those are actually things people really like now. It's an appliance like a TV.

Anyway, so we were speculating that perhaps Apple will come out with a full sized tablet or desktop with the iPhone UI. And there will be applications that work with that UI. Maybe they'll even work with phone companies to make an instance of your phone on your desktop that works as an extension of your cellphone, via IP.

Well, I got home and read engadget and apparently there are some rumors of an Apple PDA that is basically a bigger (but still pocket sized) iPhone...

[#] Wed Sep 26 2007 23:25:47 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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I'd like to see that. Furthermore, I'd like to see the general purpose desktop computer become less relevant as always-on Internet becomes ubiquitous, even for portable devices, and "connected" applications that can run on any device become the prevalent way of delivering software.

(Banter about how horrible it will be when Google owns all your data will be summarily IGnored because the usual rules of network computing will still apply; i.e. organizations who care will run their own servers.)

Apple definitely advanced the state of the art with the iPhone UI. I don't want an iPhone right now but I'm looking forward to perhaps owning a similar device in a couple of years once the rest of the industry catches up to the "new way" of doing a mobile operating system. It's the first time that a smart phone doesn't look like a computer desktop jammed into a tiny screen.

[#] Thu Sep 27 2007 15:28:12 EDT from 2Dog @ Uncensored

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I am really enjoying Firefox. I rarely use Safari anymore. For starters Firefox is much faster at loading pages.

I also like the "save" functioning. When I want to save a web page, the Fox downloads the html(etc,) page and all the

supporting files - images, graphics and whatnot - in a separate folder, so I get the whole page when I double click it.

Safari doesn't do that. It downloads the html(etc.) page as text only. I know, I know...  I'm preaching to the chior here;

but I really like this browser. Nutritious, and tasty too! "Hey Mikey!" 



[#] Thu Sep 27 2007 15:40:29 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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Glad you're enjoying it. It really is a first-class piece of software.

[#] Thu Sep 27 2007 16:01:17 EDT from athos-mn @ Uncensored

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I think the most interesting part about the iPhone is how stable it is. A few years ago, I bought an original Newton just to see if it was as bad as the reputation it earned. IMHO, it wasn't, but it also was nowhere near ready for prime time - it wasn't until nearly ten year later, with the MP2000, had the hardware finally caught up to the idea (and many of the kinks worked out), but by then the, if you pardon the pun, handwriting was already on the wall.

I think the iPhone is a bit more evolution than revolution, but it's still a very big step, and nowhere in sight is a Simpons lambasting.

[#] Thu Sep 27 2007 19:12:16 EDT from Ford II @ Uncensored

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I really like firefox, it's unfortunate I have to reboot it every day or two because it's just such a memory leaking hog, and every once in a whille it was start spinning the cpu and I have to kill it.
I have 12 tabs open. Is that a sin?
Funny how it sounds like people spoke of windows, having to reboot it every day or two.

As for the iphone tablet appliancething.
Cool as the gadget will be, if it's a tablet, nobody's going to want to carry it around with them, so it will sit on the counter at the house or on the kitchen table until somebody spills coffee on it or it falls on the floor.
The PDA kinda thing would be handy, but I still don't see how they're going to get around not relaly having buttons.
You don't hear about people using "grafitti" too much anymore, now do you.

Now why is that.

[#] Thu Sep 27 2007 22:38:34 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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Tablets haven't caught on in the marketplace because they typically run a really shitty operating system that looks like a badly retrofitted desktop (Windows XP Tablet Edition). You didn't really think that Microsoft was going to come up with something good on their own, did you?

Now that Apple has shown the world how it's done, things might change.

[#] Fri Sep 28 2007 00:52:47 EDT from Animal @ Uncensored

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heh, Firefox was one of the ... no, it was the first piece of software I
put on my work computer. Even before PuTTY and Labview.

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