Ragnar - Instead of returning the iPhone, perhaps you should
have put it up on CraigsList or eBay for double what you payed for it ??
I saw one guy on the news that said that that was EXACTLY why he was buying the iPhone.
Jun 30 2007 8:18am from Ragnar Danneskjold
Well, I returned the iphone.
proprietary shit. i know why i like openness, and will welcome it
on my phone.
That's the truth. Openness is an end in itself. It has value.
And for some of us, it has even more value than things like price, features, ease of use, etc. We know we're in control and we will continue to be in control in the future. That has value.
I'll continue to wait patiently for an unlocked OpenMoko. I'm not in a hurry.
I also have to disagree with Animal. Apple's never going to make it into the corporate budget on its own without getting into the home first. That's how Apple lost the corporate accounts in the first place - they made very expensive PCs, and people were happy to get a cut-rate imitation (Windows 3) at half the price, and from there, they were displaced in the office. Even though Apple's high-end computers are now cheaper than their competitors, it's still a perception that's biting them in the butt. Now that Apple's making inroads at homes, they're starting to get renewed looks at the corporate level, which means more money for them and a continued existence.
Now, as for the iPhone, it's a version 1 product. Anyone expecting it to be everything to everyone is going to be sorely mistaken. Personally, I'll jump when the Newton port to Zaurus (http://www.tow.com/2006/01/14/wwnc-2006/) is up and running.
iDon't give a shit
iCouldn't care less
Seriously Athos; in this house, a G5, a G4, a powerMac laptop, and a Dell Inspiron 8900
or so ( I don't recall... We just turn it on on Fridays, I think) I still don't give a flipping sh*t about
the iPhone. 'nuff said.
Anyways, all is said in good fun. Those of you that now have one and like it -
more power/connectivity to you! :^)
i hate the iphone because of it killed fingerworks.com
apple bought them for the technology. no more real cool keyboards from them...
Runs hot. This fan is almost always on. I think my iBook's fan turnedon 4
times the entire time I owned it.
do you have one of the ones where they put too much heat sink compound between the processor and its heat sink? my office-mate in sb had one, and after remounting the heatsink it was a million times better.
people are stupid with the heat sink compound, you only need enough to make it atomically smooth - you only want enough to make it atomically smooth. apply any more and you're actually introducing a thermal barrier. i thought it was kind of apple to demonstrate this concept on a large scale. it makes it more tangible for the person you try to explain it to.
BTW, at home I have: G4 dual 450Mhz (retired); Performa 6300 (Eli's and waaay retired), Mac Pro (mine), Mac Mini (G5, Eli's), Newton MessagePad 2000 (upgraded to 2001, still works like a champ), original MessagePad (just to see if it was as bad as everything thought - it wasn't, but definiately a version 1 product), and three white box machines: one running KnoppMyth, one FC3, and one running Vista (which really really sucks).
(I had a pretty good idea you were kidding)
I still have a powerMac 7600/132 loaded with 9.2.2
I use it (after brushing the cobwebs off) for OS9 gaming only.
The fun part about it is I put in a Sonnet G4 cpu card so it is really,
kinda, sorta, a G4 machine. Still, it's not the same as my actual G4 of course.
but pretty peppy after inserting that card!
(oh, and I still don't give a flipping sh*t about the iPhone) ;^)
Mac Citadel has just been launched, a home for nostalgic Mac users of the BBS
era, who don't mind discussing the latest Apple news and gossip in a text-only
It can be reached by WWW at http://maccitadel.com or telnet at
Hope to see other Mac and BBS fans there.
Camera also works wonderfully.
I don't know if I raised points already answered but i skipped largely through most of the messages that i hadn't caught up on.
I'm not fond of the command set at all, but the architecture is very cool.
The whole thing is a single-threaded state machine.
With potentially hundreds of users connected, multiple protocols in use (including incoming SMTP from the outside world), and the expectation of occasionally being deployed on high-end hardware, it is nice to be able to take advantage of multiple CPU's.
For a simple telnet-only BBS it's overkill though.