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[#] Sat Jun 30 2007 18:03:20 EDT from Ragnar Danneskjold @ Uncensored

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<let's obvious racial joke go by....>

[#] Sat Jun 30 2007 21:55:06 EDT from harry @ PixelBBS

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Ragnar - Instead of returning the iPhone, perhaps you should
have put it up on CraigsList or eBay for double what you payed for it ??
I saw one guy on the news that said that that was EXACTLY why he was buying the iPhone.

Jun 30 2007 8:18am from Ragnar Danneskjold

Well, I returned the iphone.

[#] Sat Jun 30 2007 23:04:20 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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proprietary shit. i know why i like openness, and will welcome it
on my phone.


That's the truth. Openness is an end in itself. It has value.

And for some of us, it has even more value than things like price, features, ease of use, etc. We know we're in control and we will continue to be in control in the future. That has value.

I'll continue to wait patiently for an unlocked OpenMoko. I'm not in a hurry.

[#] Sun Jul 01 2007 00:52:42 EDT from athos-mn @ Uncensored

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I also have to disagree with Animal. Apple's never going to make it into the corporate budget on its own without getting into the home first. That's how Apple lost the corporate accounts in the first place - they made very expensive PCs, and people were happy to get a cut-rate imitation (Windows 3) at half the price, and from there, they were displaced in the office. Even though Apple's high-end computers are now cheaper than their competitors, it's still a perception that's biting them in the butt. Now that Apple's making inroads at homes, they're starting to get renewed looks at the corporate level, which means more money for them and a continued existence.  


Now, as for the iPhone, it's a version 1 product. Anyone expecting it to be everything to everyone is going to be sorely mistaken. Personally, I'll jump when the Newton port to Zaurus ( is up and running. 

[#] Sun Jul 01 2007 03:41:59 EDT from 2Dog @ Uncensored

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iDon't care

iDon't give a shit

iCouldn't care less

[#] Sun Jul 01 2007 11:38:43 EDT from athos-mn @ Uncensored

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Then iWould suggest you're in the wrong room. :)

[#] Mon Jul 02 2007 03:33:32 EDT from 2Dog @ Uncensored

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Oh, I'm sorry. I didn't notice the "iPhone" room in the list. (just a joke)

Seriously Athos; in this house, a G5, a G4, a powerMac laptop, and a Dell Inspiron 8900
or so ( I don't recall... We just turn it on on Fridays, I think) I still don't give a flipping sh*t about
the iPhone. 'nuff said.

Anyways, all is said in good fun. Those of you that now have one and like it -
more power/connectivity to you! :^)

[#] Mon Jul 02 2007 05:45:23 EDT from dothebart @ Uncensored

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i hate the iphone because of it killed

apple bought them for the technology. no more real cool keyboards from them... 

[#] Mon Jul 02 2007 09:01:48 EDT from Ragnar Danneskjold @ Uncensored

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I heard a rumor that the touch technology in the iphone will be coming to the next generation of MacBooks.....

[#] Mon Jul 02 2007 09:20:43 EDT from nadia @ Uncensored

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Runs hot. This fan is almost always on. I think my iBook's fan turned
on 4
times the entire time I owned it.

do you have one of the ones where they put too much heat sink compound between the processor and its heat sink? my office-mate in sb had one, and after remounting the heatsink it was a million times better.

people are stupid with the heat sink compound, you only need enough to make it atomically smooth - you only want enough to make it atomically smooth. apply any more and you're actually introducing a thermal barrier. i thought it was kind of apple to demonstrate this concept on a large scale. it makes it more tangible for the person you try to explain it to.

[#] Mon Jul 02 2007 10:49:38 EDT from athos-mn @ Uncensored

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It was said in jest, although I do mean what I say about the iPhone being version 1. And Jobs likes to keep things closed - if you don't like it, wait for the other, more open phones to come out.

BTW, at home I have: G4 dual 450Mhz (retired); Performa 6300 (Eli's and waaay retired), Mac Pro (mine), Mac Mini (G5, Eli's), Newton MessagePad 2000 (upgraded to 2001, still works like a champ), original MessagePad (just to see if it was as bad as everything thought - it wasn't, but definiately a version 1 product), and three white box machines: one running KnoppMyth, one FC3, and one running Vista (which really really sucks).

[#] Mon Jul 02 2007 15:11:39 EDT from 2Dog @ Uncensored

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(I had a pretty good idea you were kidding)

I still have a powerMac 7600/132 loaded with 9.2.2
I use it (after brushing the cobwebs off) for OS9 gaming only.
The fun part about it is I put in a Sonnet G4 cpu card so it is really,
kinda, sorta, a G4 machine. Still, it's not the same as my actual G4 of course.
but pretty peppy after inserting that card!

(oh, and I still don't give a flipping sh*t about the iPhone) ;^)

[#] Mon Jul 02 2007 15:21:04 EDT from dothebart @ Uncensored

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since fingerworks already offered a snap-in replacement for mac-notebooks, its not that unlikely.

[#] Tue Jul 03 2007 19:20:07 EDT from haroon @ Uncensored

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Hi guys,

Mac Citadel has just been launched, a home for nostalgic Mac users of the BBS
era, who don't mind discussing the latest Apple news and gossip in a text-only

It can be reached by WWW at or telnet at

Hope to see other Mac and BBS fans there.

[#] Wed Jul 04 2007 00:54:55 EDT from athos-mn @ Uncensored

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It looks like a citadel, but it doesn't react like a Citadel. Odd.

[#] Wed Jul 04 2007 06:12:37 EDT from the8088er @ Uncensored

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To the iPhone wonderers: the keyboard actually works great. I can type on the keyboard at probably about 30 wpm. MUCH faster than my treo for sure. The auto correct is fine. if you want to type ouzza you just click the auto corrert bubble and it rejects the suggestion. hte keyboard doesn't really change per application either. The only thing that changes is the space bar. When you enter a email the space bar is replaced by three other functions. Same with URL. blackberry actually does the same thing. When you enter an email on teh blackberry the space does the @ for the first time and then .'s IIRC. URLS on blackberry? You hit space to make the dot. (again IIRC)
Supports SMS.
Camera also works wonderfully.
I don't know if I raised points already answered but i skipped largely through most of the messages that i hadn't caught up on.

[#] Wed Jul 04 2007 08:18:48 EDT from fleeb @ Uncensored

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Lack of tactile feel for the buttons was a cited concern.

[#] Wed Jul 04 2007 11:30:33 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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athos: it's actually a bbs100, which is vaguely DOC-like, which in turn is vaguely Citadel-like. So although it's based around the Citadel concept of rooms containing linear message bases, the command set is almost completely different. Call it a distant cousin if you like.

I'm not fond of the command set at all, but the architecture is very cool.
The whole thing is a single-threaded state machine.

[#] Wed Jul 04 2007 15:02:34 EDT from dothebart @ Uncensored

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use the power of select ()!

[#] Wed Jul 04 2007 22:08:08 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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select() is very useful for state machines. And for a single-purpose, single-protocol server, bbs100's server architecture is very good. The only drawback is that it doesn't take advantage of multiple CPU's if you have them. That's why the Citadel server uses multiple worker threads driving multiple state machines.
With potentially hundreds of users connected, multiple protocols in use (including incoming SMTP from the outside world), and the expectation of occasionally being deployed on high-end hardware, it is nice to be able to take advantage of multiple CPU's.

For a simple telnet-only BBS it's overkill though.

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