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[#] Fri Sep 30 2005 15:35:48 EDT from harry @ God-Empresses Domain

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To Athos-mn: Thanks, I'll google for those and explore the possiblility.

To Roue: Thanks, but I do NOT have the capital for just outright buying a new Mac. The ones I have were gifts from friends and the only upgrade path I have available at this time is to gradually and slowly upgrade one part of the system at a time. A G3 or G4 CPU replacement would be really cool, as this old 120 MHz CPU is a real slug. I would guess that part of the sluggishness is due to low ram size as well.

Thanks y'all, and PLEASE keep the upgrade tips coming.

[#] Fri Sep 30 2005 20:08:43 EDT from 2Dog @ Uncensored

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I have a PowerMac 7600/132 that I upgraded to a G4. I installed a SonnetĀ® G4 card. (It will run OSX with a software called XPostFacto, but my bookmark to the site no longer works. It was a while back but it may have been IO that turned me on to that download.) Anyways, Now I run only OS 9.2.2 on this box and use it for pre OSX gaming. Upgrading the CPU definitely made a difference. Hope this helps.

[#] Fri Sep 30 2005 20:12:12 EDT from 2Dog @ Uncensored

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errmmm... *that* box....

[#] Fri Sep 30 2005 22:18:33 EDT from harry @ God-Empresses Domain

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Thanks, 2Dog, That's very helpful information. I'll google for it and see what I can find. A G4 upgrade would be awesome. As for the OS, if I can just get up from version 8.xx to version 9.xx I imagine that that would be a big help.

I also want to upgrade the RAM. I wonder if either the Crucial website or the Kingston website have a list of the available RAM upgrades I would want to do. Or does the CPU upgrade have RAM mounted on it as well?? Or were/are they seperate?

[#] Fri Sep 30 2005 23:04:03 EDT from harry @ Uncensored

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Cool, 2Dog. Thanks.

[#] Fri Sep 30 2005 23:52:23 EDT from 2Dog @ Uncensored

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[quote: As for the OS, if I can just get up from version 8.xx to version 9.xx I imagine that that would be a big help. ] Do you need the disks? Send me a private email if you do.

I would suspect that if you want to upgrade from 8 to 9 then you should start out with 9.0 and subsequently upgrade from there.

[#] Fri Sep 30 2005 23:54:36 EDT from 2Dog @ Uncensored

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Damn, forgot to mention the memory. I've bought from both Crucial and Kingston and both are good. I think Crucial offers a better price. In fact the only memory failure I've had is my own. :)

[#] Sat Oct 01 2005 05:45:03 EDT from Idget @ God-Empresses Domain

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Tonight, I moved the Mac into the computer room. I couldn't figure out a graceful way to run a net cable to it while it was still in the Dining room, so I figured "Take it to the net" and thus the relocation. But now that it IS on the internet, I can seriously see that it just CRAWLS! It apparently only has a 10baseT net card built-in whereas my PC's have 10/100 net cards. Any way to upgrade the net card? It's a PowerMac 7600/120. I understand that the 120 refers to the CPU speed: 120Mhz. It's running Mac OS 8.1 Built-in memory 32 MB and virtual  memory 80.1 MB Largest unused block 71.5 MB. I understand that there are CPU upgrades available for this model that would bring it up to a G3, at best. I'm told that they are cheap and plentiful, as this was a very common model.

Harry, for internet purposes, the crawling is not caused by the 10 Mb connection -- 10 Mb is still 2.5 times the max speed your cable internet is going.  The issue is that the machine is underpowered.  It has IE 5.5 for crying out loud and not enough RAM to support that memory hog.  10Mb is also the speed of the LAN port on most cable modems, so the NIC is not the issue.  The 10Mb NIC will only be an issue if you're file sharing between the Mac and your Intel boxes.

Now you know why I gave that one away and replaced it with a used G3 machine -- buying a newer used machine was cheaper than upgrading that one.  My G3 cost me $140 including shipping, upgrading was starting to look like $250 to get it to where I wanted it.  I can turn you on to a reliable vendor of inexpensive G3's if you'd like.  (Private party, he does it as something of a hobby/business, I've bought a few of his boxes and have been very happy.  Most I've given them away, but one is on my desk right now and has been working like a champ for several months running OS X 10.4)

I am told that the best I'm probably going to do on this machine is OS 9.2.2, the last "legacy" Mac OS version before they converted to the UNIX base.

Actually, without upgrading the RAM, you can't go above 8.6 (which I think is what's actually loaded, but ICBW).  You'll need to add at least 32 MB more RAM to go to 9, and then the highest OS version Apple supports for that model is 9.1.  To go to 9.2 or X, you'll need to upgrade the CPU.  G3 and G4 upgrades are available from Sonnet.  You're also going to want a larger hard drive if you start upgrading, what's in there is only 2GB and Macs of that vintage require 50-pin SCSI.  I'll second what someone else said -- Otherworld Computing has a a range of upgrades available for that vintage machine, google for their site and you'll be talking to reasonable people.

Can anyone here confirm or deny any of this, in terms of upgrades available or not for this model? I would love to boost the CPU speed and the amount of RAM available. It's been my experience with MSFT Windows that the faster the CPU and the more RAM I give it, the better it performs. Might this be true of the Mac OS also?

RAM first, you get the most bang for your buck that way.  The machine can take up to 1GB, BTW.  You think it crawls now, when I got it it only had the original 16MB of RAM...

Please pardon my ignorance as I am just beginning to move away from MSFT Windows after over a decade on the Intel\Windows platform. I would like to upgrade this Mac as much as possible, as it seems to be the best of the ones that I have.

It's by far the newest of what you have, that I'm aware of.  Your others are 68k machines and that one's a PPC 603.

And just how high can I upgrade the Mac OS on this old beast?

8.6 on current RAM and CPU, 9.1 with at least 32MB more RAM, 9.2 or even X if you upgrade the CPU to G3 or G4.  If you want to go to OS X, you're going to need serious RAM and HD upgrades, BTW, at least 256MB RAM and a 20GB HD.

[#] Sat Oct 01 2005 09:32:35 EDT from IO ERROR @ Uncensored

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OS X will crawl on that thing, even with a CPU upgrade. And by the time you have spent all that money, you could have just bought a Mac Mini.

[#] Sat Oct 01 2005 09:35:21 EDT from Peter Pulse @ Uncensored

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Not that I can say anything, as I just spent $117 upgrading the hard disk in a machine that's probably worth about $25... But he's right. You have to draw the line somewhere with upgrades.

[#] Sat Oct 01 2005 12:19:06 EDT from Idget @ God-Empresses Domain

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And the line I drew was when I could buy newer hardware for less than the upgrade would cost... :)

[#] Sat Oct 01 2005 12:21:56 EDT from Idget @ God-Empresses Domain

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maybe not the mini, but at least a real G3/G4 system

[#] Sat Oct 01 2005 13:44:10 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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It's kind of like putting money into repairing an old car!

[#] Sat Oct 01 2005 13:45:05 EDT from Ladyhawke @ Uncensored

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Which many people lovingly do!  ;-)

[#] Sat Oct 01 2005 16:23:31 EDT from harry @ God-Empresses Domain

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Well, Ig and Ladyhawke, you both hit the nail right on the head. At this time, I am owning and repairing an old 1991 Subaru wagon with over 200K miles on it. Why? Because financially I have no other choice at this time.

Same thing with the Mac - At this time, I can barely afford food and gas, so small incremental upgrades are, at this time, more financially feasible than buying a better Mac outright, even a used one.

And after I had posted the message about the slow network, I realized just what you have said - my Comcast cable modem is rated for like 6 which is obviously less than 10, but I DO in fact like to pass files around on my lan via my 10/100 hub, so Yes, in the long run, either a scsi external Iomega zip-100 drive or a 10 to 10/100 netcard upgrade would be really nice. Transferring files from machine to machine at 10 is dog slow, but floppies are, in fact, even slower.

Idget: RE: the machine you and/or my sis gave me, can it's floppy drive read and/or write in IBM PC 1.44 MB format? Right now, I do NOT have any other way to transfer files, unless of course I burn a CD on the PC and then pass that to the Mac. But the same would NOT work in reverse because, as far as I know, the Mac's CD is read-only, true? And is there anything like NERO for a Mac, in case I upgrade the CD drive to a CD-RW ?? What other methods might I use?

Again, Thanks SO much for all the feedback. It is GREALY appreciated. :-)

[#] Sun Oct 02 2005 11:52:51 EDT from Ladyhawke @ Uncensored

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Because "We're not messing around any more, Bill Gates..."

[#] Fri Oct 07 2005 16:11:42 EDT from Ford II @ Uncensored

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Oct 1 2005 1:44pm from IGnatius T Foobar @uncnsrd
It's kind of like putting money into repairing an old car!

I dunno, I love my cars. I've had computers far longer than I've had cars and I've never loved any computer.

[#] Fri Oct 07 2005 21:22:25 EDT from harry @ Uncensored

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Ditto. I love my car. I use my computer. Upgrading or replacing computers is not sentimental for me. One is often as good as the other, if not better.
But replacing my car with another would be an emotional as well as a financial issue.

[#] Wed Oct 12 2005 19:06:46 EDT from 2Dog @ Uncensored

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Note to self:

"Do not secure-delete any configd or configd.plst files EVER AGAIN!"

I have recovered because I'm lucky and I have the know-how; but I really emphasize the lucky part!!!

I thought the whole shmoo was going to be a gonner (is that a word?) for a few days....


[#] Wed Oct 26 2005 22:29:19 EDT from 2Dog @ Uncensored

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Yup, RR is light speed (ahem - "fibre optic" speed) faster than the cable service we have in Mason, altho' it is still not bad at all, just not as fast. Well, that being said, here comes my Mac point...

My mouse finally crapped out on me. Yes, It died. I tried all the usuals and actually found the best deal at the Apple StoreĀ®. I am seriously thinking of sending the broken remains to Animal so he can incenerate them in a glorious explosion. (fucking things)

As far as I can tell it was the lack of insulating rubber condom/sleeve/doohickie where the cable enters said mouse that allowed the wires/cable to fray - thus a shorted out mouse.

Anyways, Apple has made it iincredibly convenient that I cannot order an original replacement mouse through their store. Now I get to order a Pro-Optical mouse from KensingtonĀ® (which has been good in the past) but I'm not keeping my fingers crossed. :^)

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