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[#] Tue Jun 07 2005 12:38:33 EDT from the8088er @ Uncensored

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i can bet that no more universities will make supercomputers out of Macs on Intel.

Also, i think OpenFirmware will still be on the IntelliMaction.

[#] Tue Jun 07 2005 13:10:17 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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At this point, I think the answer to nearly every question about what the future Mac will look like depends on whether they're simply swapping the CPU, or actually moving to the standard PC architecture. That will answer a bunch of questions...

* Will you be able to run Windows on an Intel-based Macintosh? (Not that you would want to)

* Will the "Mac hardware" be of a nature that a clever hacker will eventually figure out how to get Mac OS to run on non-Apple hardware?

[#] Tue Jun 07 2005 13:18:06 EDT from the8088er @ Uncensored

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From what I know it's just a processor swap, and a bunch of people in Mac forums have said that OF will still be there and the proprietary boot ROM will keep it from running on "generic" PC hardware. It is also plasusable that Apple may comission Intel to build their *own* processor.

[#] Tue Jun 07 2005 14:12:34 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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Aha, here's the answer...

Apple also confirmed that they would not stop customers from running Windows
on the Intel-based Mac, although the Mac OS will not run on another PC.

“We will not sell or support Windows, but we are not doing anything in the
hardware that would preclude someone from using it,” said Moody.

Soooo... the new Macs are likely to be PC architecture machines, so there's
likely to be quite a bit of dual-booting (maybe even some wacky virtualization
to run both OS's in parallel) ... but Apple is going to program something into
Mac OS to make sure it only runs on Apple hardware.

I give it 6-12 months before someone finds a way around that.

[#] Tue Jun 07 2005 15:07:27 EDT from the8088er @ Uncensored

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[#] Tue Jun 07 2005 15:11:43 EDT from fleeb @ Uncensored

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That's a different room.

[#] Tue Jun 07 2005 17:48:38 EDT from kc5tja @ Uncensored

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Animal -- read the announcement. Apple demonstrated a full version of OS X 10.4.1 for 3.6GHz Pentium IV. Apple never designs their own CPUs -- they design their own support logic only.

[#] Tue Jun 07 2005 17:49:02 EDT from kc5tja @ Uncensored

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OpenFirmware *IS* going away. Not sure what will replace it though.

[#] Tue Jun 07 2005 19:33:38 EDT from the8088er @ Uncensored

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how did you acquire this information? that's a uber-damn!

I was in a web java forth thing and I was noticing "bad word" and thinking "this is very like OF"

[#] Tue Jun 07 2005 21:44:22 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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Based on Apple's stance of "we won't sell or support Windows, but we won't stop you from running it on our hardware either," it would appear that the new Macs will be based on standard PC architecture and therefore will have an ordinary (or maybe not so ordinary) PC BIOS.

[#] Tue Jun 07 2005 22:44:40 EDT from the8088er @ Uncensored

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I like this the more I think of it. Go to the apple store. Find a G5 with a loaded 8 GB of RAM. Turn it off.

Rest a bit. Now turn it on.

................... ..........................................................

Did I make my point? I also see the PC BIOS idea as bringing more support for Linux on Mac Hardware without the need for BootX or the like. It would be awesome if Apple made a beat the pants of DR BIOS and AMI BIOS configure everything down to the T BIOS with a nice interface.

And not so huge of a delay during RAM Checks would be awesome. YOu used to could disable it with OS 9. No more though.

I also love the idea (really) of windows on my Mac. I sometimes wish I could run windows so I could play FS2004 on a cmoputer that wasn't my laptop. I am loving this more and more and more.

[#] Tue Jun 07 2005 22:46:26 EDT from the8088er @ Uncensored

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Oh... and MS would be hurt too because their freshly acquired from a nice company (connectix) VPC software would be worthless!
Muahahahahahahahahaahahahahahaahaaa! Serves them right!

[#] Wed Jun 08 2005 00:00:08 EDT from 2Dog @ Uncensored

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* suddenly filled with the urge to defecate *

[#] Wed Jun 08 2005 00:21:56 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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I dunno... I remember the 1980's, when all of the non-PC computers that were Intel based eventually migrated to the PC architecture. Even my beloved Altos eventually succumbed to that boring fate -- first on an entry-level server that could dual-boot between Xenix and MS-DOS, but eventually the whole product line went ISA/EISA. That was a shame, because Altos always did system designs that could run circles around a PC with the same CPU.

Whether "The Steve" is admitting it or not, I think he's contemplating an exit from the computer hardware business. If Apple can gain enough traction they might be very happy to sell an operating system that seamlessly interoperates with their web properties (iTMS) and consumer gadgets (iPod) while running on standard hardware.

Dvorak (eternal putz that he is) thinks this would spell the end of desktop Linux, but I disagree: once you've committed to developing an application using a cross-platform toolkit, building on three platforms is only marginally more difficult than building on two.

[#] Wed Jun 08 2005 00:16:31 EDT from harry @ God-Empresses Domain

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I just got a news-clip from a TV station local to Seattle: &tid=2653685389813&tml=sea_digs&tmi=sea_digs_1_05150106072005&t s=H

And it tells me a little more about this change.

But it also leaves me with unanswered questions. Maybe I will just have to sit back and wait and see what Apple releases in a new Intel-CPU packaged machine before those questions can be answered.


[#] Wed Jun 08 2005 01:58:09 EDT from Peter Pulse @ Uncensored

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I don't know how Dvorak has managed to stay in the game so long. I mean, I suppose even a stopped clock is right twice a day. But only if it's an analog clock. Or one of those cool flip-card clocks. Dvorak is like a stopped digital clock....

[#] Wed Jun 08 2005 08:42:13 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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Dvorak is *perfect* for the modern, Internet-based trade rag. The successful modern "pundit" merely has to say things that are inflammatory, and all the fanboys come running to see, happily generating banner ad revenue.

[#] Sun Jun 12 2005 20:37:55 EDT from Erin @ Uncensored

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Here's a question:

Is there a VHS to USB cable out there that will allow me to import VHS footage to my iMovie program?

If not, what's the easiest way to do this?

[#] Sun Jun 12 2005 22:32:01 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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It's more than just a "cable." You're looking for a video capture device.
VHS is not a digital format, so it has to be digitized first.

I will defer to the seasoned Mac-heads here to recommend the best brand.

[#] Sun Jun 12 2005 22:38:58 EDT from Erin @ Uncensored

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If they could recommend the "most affordable" brand as well that'd be good, too.

I noticed I could plug a VHS cable into a TV DVR, but didn't know if the burned disc could be imported into iMovie.  Of course, I have no idea how the resolution would come out.....

Any insight, o great technogods?

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