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[#] Sun Jun 05 2005 23:56:20 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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I hear Transmeta might be a good acquisition target these days :)

[#] Mon Jun 06 2005 02:11:07 EDT from the8088er @ Uncensored

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Since windows is only a set of extensions that runs on top of DOS. ;-)

[#] Mon Jun 06 2005 02:12:08 EDT from the8088er @ Uncensored

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Heh! Ole linus could work for Apple!

[#] Mon Jun 06 2005 11:07:05 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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Linus doesn't work for Transmeta anymore. Now he works at OSDL, where he works on ... Linux. :)

[#] Mon Jun 06 2005 12:11:03 EDT from the8088er @ Uncensored

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Fifty Minutes until we get to watch the live WWDC feed.

[#] Mon Jun 06 2005 14:12:36 EDT from athos-mn @ Uncensored

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I would find it very suprising if Apple also took out the required boot-roms they use now (which is why you can't use generic PowerPC mainboards). Yes, I'm sure there will be some hacks around shortly after they go public with it (or before), but I think it'll dwarf the amount of mindshare that Apple wants by going to Intel.

[#] Mon Jun 06 2005 14:13:51 EDT from the8088er @ Uncensored

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Mac on Intel.

[#] Mon Jun 06 2005 15:05:19 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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There goes the neighborhood.

[#] Mon Jun 06 2005 16:51:51 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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http://blogs.sun.com/roller/page/jonathan/20050605

Oof. And now, that blowhard Jonathan Schwartz is "inviting" Apple to switch to Solaris as the underpinnings of Mac OS.

[#] Mon Jun 06 2005 18:34:59 EDT from athos-mn @ Uncensored

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Both Sun and Oracle do this all the time. Except for the fact that their efforts are so pathetic (I remember Oracle's when Informix was bought my IBM), it would rival Microsoft.

[#] Mon Jun 06 2005 19:53:03 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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Yeah, I remember when Sun offered to sell IBM a bunch of Java Desktop licenses.
Stupid publicity trick that makes them just look like a bunch of imbeciles.

[#] Tue Jun 07 2005 03:10:46 EDT from harry @ God-Empresses Domain

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Please pardon my ignorance, but I take it that Apple has officially committed to using Intel CPU chips in future versions of the Mac computers?

That should be a "downgrade" in CPU power, isn't it?

I don't understand why they would make this decision.

Can anyone shed some light on this one for me please?

[#] Tue Jun 07 2005 03:46:37 EDT from kc5tja @ Uncensored

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I think it'll be good for Apple in the long-run, though I am sad to see OpenFirmware go. Yet another loss for Forth. *sniff*

[#] Tue Jun 07 2005 03:48:45 EDT from kc5tja @ Uncensored

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harry -- it's not necessarily a downgrade. While PowerPCs are known to be faster than Intel chips in some areas, they are far from faster in ALL areas.
A G5 and P4 are quite competitive with each other *overall*. For most tasks, the users won't notice the difference, and those that do, will likely represent only 1 or 2% of Macintosh' total userbase in very domain-specific fields (e.g., 3D rendering for movie houses, for example).

[#] Tue Jun 07 2005 04:34:26 EDT from harry @ God-Empresses Domain

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I see. And has Apple said specifically which CPU chip they would use? Like the 32-bit Pentium 4 (assumedly at 3.x GHz for performance) or the 64-bit Itanium ?? (I think that's the right name for Intel's 64-bit CPU).

This is all very strange to me. What would prevent someone from porting the "new" Mac OS to a basically "WinTel" PC and thus stealing it? Would Apple still have proprietary firmware (ROM's) to prevent this? Couldn't those be copied and pirated also?

Sorry for all the questions, but I am very confused. This is all so new to me.

[#] Tue Jun 07 2005 08:53:04 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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I'd imagine that if this is a volume/speed play, they'd go with x64 (Intel's AMD clone) rather than Itanic. Itanic loses badly in terms of clock speed and fabrication technology, even if it's a more efficient design. In other words, Intel's own game ("more MHz is better") has come back to bite them in the ass.

There is also some speculation that Apple wants access to Intel DRM technologies.
This is somewhat scary, but if DRM is going to happen (let's hope it doesn't ... have you all made your donations to the EFF this year?), I'd rather see it in the hands of Intel rather than Microsoft.

[#] Tue Jun 07 2005 09:47:51 EDT from LoanShark @ Uncensored

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pessimistically... if Intel decides to implement DRM independently of any government body, there's probably nothing that the EFF can do about it.

eventually things will reach the point where you'll need a scanning microscope of some sort and a lot of research dollars to break copy protections. and legal precedent shows that the results will be verboten under the DMCA.

[#] Tue Jun 07 2005 09:48:40 EDT from LoanShark @ Uncensored

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speaking of which DVD Decrypter's main website just got shut down by the courts. Go get your copy from doom9.net before they get shut down too.

[#] Tue Jun 07 2005 09:58:35 EDT from Animal @ Uncensored

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Intel manufactures chips. Apple has in-house designers that design the chips.
Apple ships drawings out to intel, intel ships back chips.
Nothing says Apple has to use the pentuim-line of processors.

[#] Tue Jun 07 2005 11:29:46 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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My hope for DRM (aside from the hope that it simply won't take hold at all) is that they eventually build a secure path from the CPU to the output device (display, audio, etc.) that doesn't require a trusted operating system.

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