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[#] Tue Oct 03 2017 15:51:00 EDT from fleeb @ Uncensored

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I used xrdp, and managed to get the gnome desktop working with it.

I did get it working with Unity on Ubuntu, amusingly, but not without consequences.... couldn't log out of the session in any way, short of killing the right process.

Not that I like Unity. I mention this as yet another reason for anyone to dislike Unity.

I found xrdp worked really, really well, for keeping a uniform experience across the different machines that I had set up (Windows & Linux).

I want to try out some of the other features... ssh sessions, and desktop recording in particular.

[#] Tue Oct 03 2017 18:10:29 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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Ooooh, I like that.  I didn't know Xrdp had matured to the point where it was usable and well-maintained.  Getting VNC out of the mix would be a win.

Ideally, an X11 backend for guacd would be the "perfect" solution, but /me does not have the time or inclination to write one.  Maybe someone will.



[#] Wed Oct 04 2017 03:59:03 EDT from fleeb @ Uncensored

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My guess is that someone would have to figure out how to translate all the HTML5 graphics commands to the X11 protocol.

I figure if people did this for vnc & xrdp, it probably isn't too much of a stretch to do this for x11.

(By 'HTML5 graphics commands', I refer to the JavaScript commands that drive HTML5 graphics on a browser... they are remarkably robust).

[#] Thu Oct 05 2017 10:12:54 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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The guacamole front end speaks to "guacd" using the same screen protocol regardless of what back end guacd is using. I'm guessing the guacd protocol probably tracks the HTML5 graphics commands pretty closely. But it is designed to be extensible, as in, a new back end doesn't have to learn how to speak to the browser; it only needs to plug in to guacd.

Or if they ever get around to replacing X11 with "Wayland" they can just write a Wayland compositor that speaks guacd protocol.

[#] Thu Oct 05 2017 13:53:59 EDT from fleeb @ Uncensored

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Then it's more X11-to-guacd than anything else.

[#] Fri Oct 06 2017 00:27:02 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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Gotta tellya though, I tried out Xrdp and it's REALLY good. It's way better than Xvnc, and works really nicely with Guacamole. The screen always sizes properly to the viewer's screen (or in this case browser) dimensions, and it's a lot easier to set up session persistence in a multiuser environment.

[#] Fri Oct 06 2017 12:21:47 EDT from fleeb @ Uncensored

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Oh, yeah, all of that is absolutely true.

Although, the sizing isn't exactly dynamic-dynamic. The initial settings are dynamic, then you have to relog to get new settings.

But, tap F11 before going into the desktop, and it'll be full-screen.

[#] Tue Oct 10 2017 12:58:21 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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There are two kinds of dynamic resizing with RDP, even on a Windoze server.
The conventional behavior was for RDP clients to respond to a window resize by seamlessly disconnecting from the server and then reconnecting with the new screen dimensions. The newest version of RDP (the protocol, not a particular implementation) contains a channel command that can handle an explicit resize of the viewport.

Guacamole can handle both modes, but it needs to be told which one you want to use. Obviously on a Windoze server the resize command is only available on the latest versions. I don't know whether Xrdp supports it.

[#] Tue Oct 10 2017 14:20:39 EDT from fleeb @ Uncensored

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I don't think so, as I didn't see it handle that properly.

[#] Thu Oct 19 2017 13:46:12 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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I have all of my sessions set to handle resizes the old way (which is fine).
Guacamole has changed the way I use my computer. My main monitor is a 24" 1920x1200 (16:10) screen. It now has a browser maximized on it all day long.
I used to have to switch back and forth between the browser window and my terminal window. Now I've got HTML, SSH, RDP, and VNC in one contiguous set of tabs. And since I'm at 1920x1200, I can view a remote 1920x1080 screen without scaling it down, in those cases where the server won't size to the client's screen dimensions.

Text windows are 190x56, which is a *little* excessive, but not so much that I want to shrink them. Nobody writes code in 80 columns anymore, except maybe COBOL programmers.

Obviously this isn't going to transform everyone's workflow, but it's working great for me. Nearly everything I do is on a remote computer somewhere.

[#] Mon Oct 30 2017 07:38:30 EDT from fleeb @ Uncensored

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OMFG...

https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/OpenRC

HOW MANY FUCKING SERVICE MANAGERS DOES LINUX REQUIRE?

Whenever someone else thinks, "None of these really start my services how I'd like them started... I think I'll make another one," an angel has its wings ripped uncermoniously out of their torso in agony.

Just Fucking Stop It Already.

[#] Mon Oct 30 2017 07:46:23 EDT from fleeb @ Uncensored

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Oh, that's a gem:

"Note that when openrc-init is used, it must be paired with openrc-shutdown, and *not* the shutdown or reboot commands from other packages, otherwise you will encounter errors."

So not only have you introduced yet another monstrosity for people maintaining setups to ensure, but you're imposing on system administrators who have developed muscle memory for shutdown/reboot a need to remember the oh-so-much-shorter command "openrc-shutdown" because your system is that much better.

Wankers.

[#] Tue Oct 31 2017 11:35:02 EDT from kc5tja @ Uncensored

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OpenRC is probably the dependency-based system I had in mind that predated systemd. I remember trying gentoo years before 2007, and some of this rings a bell from back then. It might be a new name, but the framework guts must have existed back then.

[#] Tue Oct 31 2017 11:36:20 EDT from kc5tja @ Uncensored

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Yep, WIkipedia confirmed it -- initial release of OpenRC as a distinct product is in 2007, systemd came only in 2010. So, really, you should be outraged at systemd for being "yet another" init.

[#] Tue Oct 31 2017 13:24:59 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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It seems as if there was a largely held consensus that sysvinit was aging and had become a liability, since so many different parties have built replacements for it.    I guess I'm one of those heretic type people, because I actually like systemd.  So I simply hope that eventually we reach a point where systemd becomes the category-killer sysvinit replacement and we can count on it being there.  For all practical purposes, ISV's who actually produce software instead of rolling craft beer distributions of Linux in their spare time, only care about Fedora (CentOS, Red Hat) and Debian (Ubuntu).  Since both of those lines have already moved to systemd, the debate is essentially over.

Also, I still consider Pluto a real planet.



[#] Tue Oct 31 2017 13:55:19 EDT from fleeb @ Uncensored

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I kinda don't care what system is used, as long as I don't have to write a ridiculous amount of code to cover all of them.

[#] Tue Oct 31 2017 13:56:09 EDT from fleeb @ Uncensored

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(Although, upstart earned a place in my spleen for really making things difficult when it was semi-released before being quite ready).

[#] Tue Oct 31 2017 19:13:19 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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Yeah, well, Ubuntu has tried a bunch of different things to make themselves non-standard.  Most of them (Upstart and Unity are two examples) have failed.

It seems they're now making the switch from X11 to Wayland in the current version.  Let's see how that works out.  It should be interesting.



[#] Wed Nov 01 2017 07:49:15 EDT from fleeb @ Uncensored

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Heh... I guess they want to be trendsetters, but lack the credentials.

[#] Wed Nov 01 2017 11:00:17 EDT from LoanShark @ Uncensored

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there.  For all practical purposes, ISV's who actually produce
software instead of rolling craft beer distributions of Linux in
their spare time, only care about Fedora (CentOS, Red Hat) and Debian

(Ubuntu).

CoreOS might be much more common soon

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