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[#] Sun May 03 2015 07:52:32 EDT from dothebart @ Uncensored

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the citadel faq has the most important ones:

http://citadel.org/doku.php?id=faq:start#troubleshootingyourhostos



[#] Fri May 08 2015 11:55:50 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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So I finally booted up the Pi that I got for Christmas. But I only had a 2 GB SDcard so I moved my root filesystem to a 250 GB external USB drive.
It was really easy. Everything behaved as I expected it to. All I had to do was rsync to the new filesystem, identify its UUID, call for its mount as rootfs in its own /etc/fstab and in the Pi's boot partition, and reboot.

I like it this way better. The SDcard is /boot and nothing else.

[#] Fri May 08 2015 11:56:56 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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(And yes, it was sooooo satisfying to be able to type "apt-get install citadel-client" on the Pi and get a precompiled Citadel client fed back to me, even though none of us on the project have ever explicitly built on this platform before!)

[#] Sat May 09 2015 14:21:26 EDT from dothebart @ Uncensored

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Fri May 08 2015 11:56:56 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

(And yes, it was sooooo satisfying to be able to type "apt-get install citadel-client" on the Pi and get a precompiled Citadel client fed back to me, even though none of us on the project have ever explicitly built on this platform before!)

And that without java - compile once debug everywhere ;-)



[#] Sat May 09 2015 22:34:26 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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That's not really a fair comparison.  Sure, the Debian repository is available on every platform, but it's native, so it's compile everywhere debug everywhere.

Java's bad reputation has everything to do with the smear campaign orchestrated against it in the 1990's.  Since then it has become the lingua franca of business logic anyway.



[#] Tue May 12 2015 11:25:34 EDT from LoanShark @ Uncensored

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Not really. The phrase "compile once, debug everywhere" had a lot of truth to it, borne out by bad experiences with AWT, which turned out to be not be such a panacea for cross-platform portability as was first hoped. It's *hard* to build a cross-platform window toolkit in a way that respects the native look-and-feel of all platforms.

"Compile once, debug everywhere" is *absolutely not true in the same sense* when applied to server-side java, which has proven highly portable.

[#] Thu May 14 2015 11:36:39 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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That much is very true. AWT was a pain in the neck to test everywhere. And although one could argue "AWT is *not* Java" -- and be correct about that -- AWT was a big part of the initial Java experience for a lot of people.
It was released at a time when there was such a thing as

" native look and feel "

As we all know ... there is no longer any such thing. Web based applications broke everyone's addiction to needing the exact same widget set on every application.
Nowadays, developers use whatever chrome they want. As a result, an application written in Java that uses SWT, say on Windows for example, looks no more "foreign" than Microsoft Office.


The result ... even on the desktop, Java applications now look the same everywhere, because they use the same widget set (and therefore the same pixel-by-pixel dimensions of every widget) on every platform. I like it.

[#] Thu May 14 2015 23:37:01 EDT from ax25 @ Uncensored

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I liked the fact that the Blackdown Java on Linux allowed me to have a Linux workstation and do Java development for Windows back in the late 90's.  It was fun having Linux servers push out Jar files to remote web servers via JWS, allowing branch locations running Windows clients to update software in the middle of the work day.

For all the faults people find with Java / Java Web Start and all that, I was able to make some use of it and do some pretty cool testing / release cycles that I have been hard pressed to duplicate (outside of the LAMP stack world).



[#] Fri May 22 2015 15:01:46 EDT from ugh @ Uncensored

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I have been trying to install Citadel with LDAP support.  I can install the mail server without LDAP...works fine.  I can interact and query the LDAP just fine.  When I install Citadel with LDAP support it hangs at install when it gets to 95 percent complete or restarting server....any idea why?



[#] Fri May 22 2015 15:03:07 EDT from dothebart @ Uncensored

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from that amount of information - no.



[#] Fri May 22 2015 15:05:05 EDT from ugh @ Uncensored

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[#] Fri May 22 2015 15:05:59 EDT from ugh @ Uncensored

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What do you need from em to help with this

Fri May 22 2015 15:01:46 EDT from ugh @ Uncensored

I have been trying to install Citadel with LDAP support.  I can install the mail server without LDAP...works fine.  I can interact and query the LDAP just fine.  When I install Citadel with LDAP support it hangs at install when it gets to 95 percent complete or restarting server....any idea why?



 



[#] Fri May 22 2015 15:07:58 EDT from ugh @ Uncensored

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After working on this for a few days, I am going to give up on citadel...it should work without issue.  The documentation is less than helpful



[#] Fri May 22 2015 15:11:32 EDT from ugh @ Uncensored

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Guess I picked the wrong software....citadel does not work with OpenLDAP?



[#] Fri May 22 2015 15:13:07 EDT from ugh @ Uncensored

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Well that is all I have to work with, the logs have nothing since the server did not start.  The only thing I can find is Citadel could not open a socket. Useless documentation, useless logs



[#] Fri May 22 2015 15:28:17 EDT from ugh @ Uncensored

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Maybe I should use Zimbra instead?



[#] Fri May 22 2015 18:14:28 EDT from ugh @ Uncensored

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Setup zimbra in the meantime waiting for ANYONE to respond.  Please let this product die its overdue death



[#] Sat May 23 2015 06:49:07 EDT from dothebart @ Uncensored

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Fri May 22 2015 18:14:28 EDT from ugh @ Uncensored Subject: Re: Use Zimbra instead?

Setup zimbra in the meantime waiting for ANYONE to respond.  Please let this product die its overdue death



lol.



[#] Mon May 25 2015 02:10:17 EDT from ax25 @ Uncensored

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Sat May 23 2015 06:49:07 AM EDT from dothebart @ Uncensored Subject: Re: Use Zimbra instead?

 

Fri May 22 2015 18:14:28 EDT from ugh @ Uncensored Subject: Re: Use Zimbra instead?

Setup zimbra in the meantime waiting for ANYONE to respond.  Please let this product die its overdue death



lol.



Ugh indeed.  Seems a fitting name for an impatient soul.  Too bad he could not hang around long enough to get an answer over the holiday weekend.



[#] Tue May 26 2015 14:39:37 EDT from LoanShark @ Uncensored

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Anything involving LDAP is always a cryptic pain in the ass. That standard never should have been ratified, and openldap is a stable implementation of the protocol, and reasonably well-documented if you care to wade through all 1000 pages, but that is about the best thing that can be said for it. MS actually did better with Active Directory!

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