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[#] Mon Dec 08 2014 00:42:35 EST from ax25 @ Uncensored

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the_mgmt, I agree E17 is fun.  IG, yes, the cheap Rpi does make you think of the mantra: Do one thing, and do it well :-)



[#] Mon Dec 08 2014 09:07:15 EST from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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"Watch that executable - can't exceed 128K!"

Back when I first started developing Citadel on a unix platform I was running an early version of Xenix, and the compiler had a 64K code + 64K data limitation.
Little did I know that I was facing a Microsoft stupidism, even then, even on a "real" operating system.

Microport ended up being better. Who knew.

[#] Mon Dec 08 2014 13:19:22 EST from vince-q @ Cascade Lodge BBS

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On the PC/MSDOS platform I used the Borland C compiler.

All things considered it was a good development system, at least for its day. I have *no* idea if they (Borland) even still exist.

The limitations were imposed by DOS (3.x at the time) - 128K for the executable after compiling. As far as I can remember (it *has* been almost thirty years!) the compiler handled all data issues internally while compiling.

I had the machine "populated" with 640K of RAM. Remember? A memory card. 8 sockets by 16 sockets if memory serves, and you had to place a chip in each socket. I think. It's been forever-ago... ;)

This was a machine running an intel 80286 CPU with a "math coprocessor" chip. IBM PC/AT architecture (it was a clone).

They just don't DO that any more! (good thing)

[#] Wed Dec 10 2014 18:15:28 EST from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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SO HAPPY to see that TigerDirect has a small selection of laptops available with Linux on them!

I've never used "Linpus" (sounds like something that would come out of an infected penguin) but I can always reload it with something else. Not one dollar of my hard-earned money will be sent to the Great Satan of Redmond!

Ideally I'd love to support a company like System76 but they just don't have anything in the low-end range, and this is for a family member who will abuse it.

[#] Wed Dec 10 2014 18:18:41 EST from LoanShark @ Uncensored

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Linux is the reason my younger brother (who barely makes enough money to make ends meet) is still actually able to *afford* a computer (he's apparently currently running a 1.5GB RAM box, instead of the 8GB monstrosity you need to run Winbloze these days.)


Bill Gates: stealing money from the hard-working since 1972

[#] Wed Dec 10 2014 18:57:43 EST from zooer @ Uncensored

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IG, If you are looking for something low-end for someone to abuse why not get a Chromebook and duel boot it?

[#] Thu Dec 11 2014 10:19:16 EST from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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I did some browsing on that subject and it seems there's more to it than just "buy one with an Intel CPU, plug in a USB drive, and reinstall."

I haven't actually tried out a Chromebook yet. One of these days I'm going to have to wander into one of those old-fashioned computer stores and play with one for a while. I would imagine they fit well with my use cases, since I do almost everything in a remote "network computing" sort of way.

[#] Thu Dec 11 2014 10:55:35 EST from vince-q @ Cascade Lodge BBS

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IG,
I think a lot has to do with *which* chromeBook you buy. There are chrome laptops 'out there' that *do* have physical hard drives in the laptop. Not many, for sure, but they *do* exist, at least online, and from the BigBox folk.

If memory serves, I think Dell makes one.

[#] Thu Dec 11 2014 12:30:36 EST from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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They all have something, either a spinning disk or an SSD (typically 32 or 64 GB). Obviously it's doable ... there are even people running Windows (cursed be its name forever) on them. Maybe I will experiment with it one day but at the moment I don't have the time to hack; I need to take delivery, install Debian in a predictably short amount of time, and drop it under the tree.

[#] Thu Dec 11 2014 18:46:26 EST from the_mgt @ Uncensored

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Dell and Lenovo and some other bigger corporations also sell laptops without an operation system or a FreeDos installation. And you are already paying MS in license fees for your googlephone. Or any device that supports the sdxc standard.



[#] Mon Dec 15 2014 17:18:22 EST from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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Actually my phone came directly from Google (it is a Nexus device) so I avoided paying the Hitlersoft tax.

[#] Wed Dec 17 2014 18:07:45 EST from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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omfg.

CentOS 7 is the first time I've started installing a Linux operating system and thought, "WTF?! Why did they hire away developers from Microsoft to build this?"

The installer is unintuitive, looks like it was designed for a tablet, does stupid things, and breaks easily.

Upon my second reboot to check if the right set of services was running, it just broke completely.

It suggested some commands with which I was not familiar to troubleshoot.
Reading the output of these commands suggested that the controversial "systemd" is to blame.

F**k this. I'm sticking with 6.5 until they sort this crap out.

[#] Thu Dec 18 2014 09:45:55 EST from fleeb @ Uncensored

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ArchLinux.

[#] Thu Dec 18 2014 11:19:23 EST from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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Well, the way I see it, "systemd" is like the smell of urine in the subway: it's there, it isn't going away, and you have to deal with it.

[#] Thu Dec 18 2014 11:20:37 EST from LoanShark @ Uncensored

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2014-12-11 12:30 from IGnatius T Foobar @uncnsrd
They all have something, either a spinning disk or an SSD (typically 32

or 64 GB). Obviously it's doable ... there are even people running
Windows (cursed be its name forever) on them. Maybe I will experiment


32-bit, maybe? 64-bit win8 takes 40gb disk just for the base install. it's hard to do much of anything useful with <250gb of storage these days.

[#] Thu Dec 18 2014 12:51:16 EST from dothebart @ Uncensored

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Yea, all I do with the W81 installation in that 50G partition of my vaio pro is boot it now and then, ugrade it, shut it down again ;-)



[#] Thu Dec 18 2014 23:24:26 EST from ax25 @ Uncensored

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Just re-subscribed to the Slackware cd mailer.  I recently installed the latest version to a VM, and the installer was .... exactly the same as I remember it (thankfully).  I know they have to swallow the blue pill at some point with smegma systemd, but that point has not yet arrived.



[#] Wed Dec 24 2014 09:13:31 EST from the_mgt @ Uncensored

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Wed Dec 17 2014 18:07:45 ESTfrom IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

omfg.

CentOS 7 is the first time I've started installing a Linux operating system and thought, "WTF?! Why did they hire away developers from Microsoft to build this?"

The installer is unintuitive, looks like it was designed for a tablet, does stupid things, and breaks easily.
D'accord! With 6.x you were able to create a RAID and then create the mount points using LVM. Now, it is either RAID or LVM. I could have used Gentoo if I wanted to create vgs et al. manually! Also, you can not use openvpn@mypersonalvpn with systemd easily and out of the box, due to a bug that is as old as systemd itself. You need manually fiddle around in order to get it going. I can not believe that RHEL is buttraping its userbase in this way.
 
Then they ship samba4, I think "Yay! AD support", but no, it is disabled, since samba4 needs heimdal and RHEL is waiting for the port to kerberos. Fuck that, almost everything but openssl can use heimdal too, and I guess it is easier and more likely to fix openssl than samba4. Why is it ok to shove systemd down everyones throat but not heimdal? Makes no sense to me. Also, were did the "it is about choice!!!!1111" go?
 
Happy holidays, btw. 

 



[#] Fri Dec 26 2014 00:43:23 EST from nristen @ Uncensored

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I was a big fan of ArchLinux, but lately, I have been having more and more problems related to systemd.  It is like having to learn a whole new operating system to just figure out how that thing works.  The earlier comment about openvpn not working just adds to the frustration.  What ever happened to the motto of "Do one thing and do it well"

I think I am going to switch to Slackware for the same reason, I switched to ArchLinux a few years ago.



[#] Fri Dec 26 2014 02:02:37 EST from ax25 @ Uncensored

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Fri Dec 26 2014 12:43:23 AM EST from nristen @ Uncensored Subject: systemd woes
 ...I think I am going to switch to Slackware for the same reason, I switched to ArchLinux a few years ago.

Keep in touch about your conversion!  Another bit about Slackware is, at least I could drive over and buy Pat some lunch on an afternoon off.  Not that it would come to that.  I did have an email exchange back with him in 1999-2000 or so about the exclusion of PAM.  I was given ample room for rebuttal .  There was later the "extras" packages that made most packages that required PAM work on Slackware possible as well.  I think P.V. would avoid a bad decision for the Slackware distro and try to patch around it (much like PAM), if at all possible.



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