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[#] Sat Jul 19 2014 12:53:58 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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Hmm, I just thought of something:

Some programs use -d (debug) to force them to stay in the foreground (and spew debug info)

Some programs use -d (daemon) to force them to go into the background

This is an atrocity. I blame the previous owner of my old house, whose last name begins with the letter D, for this atrocity.

[#] Sat Jul 19 2014 14:34:00 EDT from zooer @ Uncensored

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Stupid standards.

[#] Sat Jul 19 2014 14:34:08 EDT from zooer @ Uncensored

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I would call Linus.

[#] Sat Jul 19 2014 14:54:14 EDT from fleeb @ Uncensored

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I am not sure, but -v seems to be more popular for debugging info (e.g. 'verbose').
But, again, I kinda feel like I'm dipping my toe into all of this.

[#] Sat Jul 19 2014 15:47:25 EDT from zooer @ Uncensored

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Free network equipment shape gallery designed to allow #LibreOffice and #OpenOffice users to create network

[#] Tue Jul 22 2014 08:48:54 EDT from zooer @ Uncensored

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Learn VIm while playing a game.

Seems to me you have to know Vim to play the game, I really didn't get too far before becoming frustrated. You
are the black cursor not the guy in the center of the screen.

[#] Tue Jul 22 2014 09:29:20 EDT from fleeb @ Uncensored

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that's rather neat, actually.

I'd love to play that sometime when I'm not at work.

[#] Tue Jul 22 2014 10:05:00 EDT from fleeb @ Uncensored

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Playing with Fedora today.

Maybe I don't quite understand the issue that lead someone to say something like this, but supposedly we can't build binary RPMs because we haven't paid for a Red Hat Developer's license or somesuch.

That doesn't strike me as true, though, so I'm looking into things myself.
Hence, installing Fedora. Well, that, and I wanted to look at systemd and see how well I can set up our services to auto-start in that environment's configuration scheme.

Lots of toe-dipping this year.

[#] Tue Jul 22 2014 10:06:50 EDT from fleeb @ Uncensored

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I'll say this for Fedora, though... it looks pretty out of the box.

But I'm not sure I like the whole 'grab the screen and pull up' screen-locking mechanism they use. I'm sure I can configure something else, but... this isn't a touch-screen.

[#] Tue Jul 22 2014 14:18:23 EDT from dothebart @ Uncensored

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fleeb, you should use centos to compile.

these are guaranteed to produce library dependencies with RHEL.

with fedora you've got bleeding edge, and may not find your libs over there.

[#] Tue Jul 22 2014 15:10:27 EDT from fleeb @ Uncensored

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Oh, nice to know!

I've at least managed to learn how to work with systemd with Fedora. But it's a little weird that one form of logging to syslog works, while the other one I use doesn't (yeah, this is difficult to explain well).

[#] Wed Jul 23 2014 00:45:35 EDT from ax25 @ Uncensored

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Mon Jul 07 2014 07:51:09 AM EDT from dothebart @ Uncensored

Maddog is digitizing his ye olde VHS-Tapes:

Linus talk at dec.

Nice!  Thanks for that.

[#] Wed Jul 23 2014 10:54:30 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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I would call Linus.

Linus will just change the kernel ABI so your program doesn't work at all anymore.

[#] Wed Jul 23 2014 10:54:40 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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Free network equipment shape gallery designed to allow #LibreOffice and
#OpenOffice users to create network

Ooh, nice!

[#] Fri Jul 25 2014 10:36:47 EDT from fleeb @ Uncensored

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Holy hell, but I managed to compile Gnu GCC 4.7.3 on Valhalla. I'm feeling plucky, though... building GCC 4.8.3 on it now.

[#] Fri Jul 25 2014 10:48:24 EDT from fleeb @ Uncensored

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Honestly, compiling these damned compilers feels like I'm beating code into submission. Seriously.

'nm' complains that it doens't understand the -p option? No problem. the
'nm' that it's calling is actually 'exec' (for some insane reason), so I just replaced it with the binutil/nm-new that it should have used in the first place. Shit like this.

Valhalla's version of zlib doesn't have compressBound, which is required by the latest version of binutils, which is required by GCC now? No problem, I'll write it myself. Oh, that function needs 'ceil', which is in -lm, but I can't link it? I'll create my own 'ceil'. How hard can it be?

I'm beating this fucking code into submission.

[#] Fri Jul 25 2014 10:59:49 EDT from fleeb @ Uncensored

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Valhalla's kernel lacks an __NR_exit_group interrupt, which libsanitizer wants? No problem, configure --disable-libsanitizer and try again.

[#] Fri Jul 25 2014 11:16:12 EDT from fleeb @ Uncensored

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This effort is kind of silly.

Get a recent version of binutils and uncompress it into the gcc-4.8.3 folder (from the gcc-4.8.3.tar.gz you unpacked). Follow other instructions (like getting other dependencies, etc). configure --prefix=[wherever] --disable-libsanitizer (but from within a different folder, because you can't cross the streams, heh). Then make.

Make *will* fail. Because something stupid happens, and gcc/nm is actually 'exec' for some dumb reason. cp buildutils/buildutils/nm-new gcc/nm and try again. Oh, it doesn't put 'binutils' in the right place. Move their binutils to binutils.orig, then ln -s binutils.orig/binutils to binutils. make again.

Waiting for that to go wrong so I can fix the next problem.

I get to do all of this kind of nonsense again with solaris, incidentally, since these guys have an ancient version of that OS they would like for us to support.

Is it worth it, you may wonder, to use a modern compiler? I think so. But it sure seems silly.

[#] Fri Jul 25 2014 11:17:21 EDT from fleeb @ Uncensored

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Oh, and s/buildutils/binutils/g above.

[#] Fri Jul 25 2014 12:58:17 EDT from fleeb @ Uncensored

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Aand, I figured out why I had to do some of that stupid wonkiness earlier.

The binutils archive presumes to be the top-level of the gcc archive, rather than a sub-folder. So, I have to copy the subfolders to the top-level gcc bits (taking care not to obliterate anything already there).

In any event, after yet another attempt to recompile the whole thing (java fails to compile on this system, so I'm not including it), it seems to be much happier. Well, also my zlib modifications are still there.

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