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[#] Wed Mar 06 2013 22:17:58 EST from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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Great, but let's have less vapor and more action. Spaceman Mark, shut up and show us the product.

[#] Thu Mar 07 2013 00:26:46 EST from the8088er @ Uncensored

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But I do think it's safe to say that Xorg is at this point not only
the reference implementation but also pretty much the only one that
matters. XFree86 is for all practical purposes dead.

Ah see. I got confused and forgoet X11 != XFree86. Heh

[#] Thu Mar 07 2013 00:34:36 EST from the8088er @ Uncensored

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Ubuntu has always been my least favorite of all distributions. Debian is where I've felt most at home for a package-based system. Gentoo, while allowing insanely more granular control over build options than I think anyone could possibly need, seems to work well as a source-based distribution. I'm all over FreeBSD though, and run it whereever I can. I know my way around it more and I've had fewer problems with it than any other OS.

I have recently gotten into CentOS through the use of Asterisk though, and I've gone as far as setting up a CentOS box at home to familiarize myself with it more.

I still prefer FreeBSD over all others.

[#] Thu Mar 07 2013 04:57:46 EST from the_mgt @ Uncensored

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Debian and me never got along well. My first attempts of installing them failed due to unbelievably stupid install media. (A netinstall cd-rom which didn't load any network modules, etc, etc.) Atm, I have the second long running server which I upgraded to Squeeze and now Samba is failing in mysterious ways after it run fine for about 3 month after upgrading. The last one just fubar'd totally, this one only misbheaves indeterministically without proper errors.

I am using CentOS/ClearOS on most of clients systems in order to avoid distupgrading too often. At home I only use Gentoo, because the installations simply won't die. *knocks on wood*

[#] Thu Mar 07 2013 10:43:05 EST from the8088er @ Uncensored

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Gentoo is great if you have current hardware. If you use a Pentium /// as a sandbox rebuilding the world might take a week.

That's another thing I like about FreeBSD (which may be present in other systems too); most people use the source-based ports tree, but a package-based system is also in place and works reliably. Its the best of both worlds.

[#] Thu Mar 07 2013 14:03:21 EST from the_mgt @ Uncensored

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Yes and no. There is always ccache (fairly easy and tremendously effective after a while) and distcc (never used it and my attempts with icecream failed). The slowest hardware I ever used gentoo on was my old PentiumV laptop, 256mhz and 64mb of ram. Kind of a pita, but if you have time...

I did use it on i586 and i686 hardware with 500-800mhz, but that was around 2005 where this was not yet the specs of a mobile phone cpu....

Today, I use my server in the basement to compile the packages for my netbook and only install the binpackages.

Afaik, there are public binpackage servers, too. Or you could use Sabayon, which does both: Provide a set of prebuilt packages and still offer the portage features.

I am still too lazy to fool around with any BSD :(

[#] Sun Mar 10 2013 07:19:59 EDT from generica @ Uncensored

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Staying up late imaging a FreeBSD install to a new box to preemptively avoid a dying hard drive's impending crash. Annoyed because every method of dumping over the network causes blocking and makes all my services and access to the box (except for kvm) hang/livelock. Even dump+ssh over lan cable to oter box hangs the hell out of everything during transfer. I need uptime, dammit!

[#] Sun Mar 10 2013 15:02:52 EDT from fireball @ Uncensored

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I preordered an Ouya, if I can't replace Androd (or better yet dual boot) with desktop linux, I'll be moderately annoyed.  Partially because android sucks, partially because their neutered android sucks more, mostly because a 100 dollar tegra 3 rubix cube desktop seems like a good thing TM.  Also, it should be low powered enough to be always on, and powerful enough for all my webserving needs.

[#] Mon Mar 11 2013 07:44:06 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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Interesting ... the Ouya has a Tegra3 chip. That's what my tablet has. Lots of cores. Let us know how it goes!

[#] Mon Mar 11 2013 10:34:10 EDT from zooer @ Uncensored

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I am giving FreeBSD a try as a virtual machine. It is almost like starting over, I get stuck on something
simple and I can't find the correct answer. Although I search for BSD I seem to get a lot of linux results
which don't answer the question.

[#] Mon Mar 11 2013 14:50:25 EDT from the8088er @ Uncensored

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Anything in particular you're stuck on now?

[#] Mon Mar 11 2013 15:27:38 EDT from zooer @ Uncensored

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Thank you..
I think I solved a few problems, dropping one problem and fixing another can lead to an answer to the first
problem. I am moving along, for some reason I couldn't reach the FTP site the other day which frustrated me,
but that seems to be resolved now.

I am having problems with the history file, it doesn't seem to save between sessions. If I use the up arrow to
look at previously typed commands it only shows the commands from the current session. I know you can set
"HISTFILE=somename" but I am not sure where that gets defined. If I use "set -o" history is not listed. "h"
which has an alias for history 25 works for the current session.

So my question is how do I turn history on so that it remembers previously used commands?

I am using this install in a virtual box virtual machine, once I get most of the mistakes and errors out of the
way I will install it as a boot option.

[#] Tue Mar 12 2013 03:18:37 EDT from the8088er @ Uncensored

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I would suggest for the history bit is to use a different and more-preferred shell such as zsh or bash or tcsh if you like. 'sh' in FreeBSD is a very very basic shell that exists, as I understand it, to run scripts, and provide a way to launch chsh to pick a better shell :-)

Its worth noting that in FreeBSD if you launch 'su' in say, bash, your superuser shell will also be in bash. This is in contrast with just about every other *nix I've used and reduces the frustration associated with keeping the default root shell (as you should not change root's default shell!) or having some silly 'toor' login instead.

I'm sorry I can't answer your question specifically regarding storing history between sessions with 'sh' however I've always solved that problem through avoidance. :-)

[#] Tue Mar 12 2013 08:04:06 EDT from Freakdog @ Dog Pound BBS II

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Tue Mar 12 2013 03:18:37 AM EDT from the8088er @ Uncensored
Its worth noting that in FreeBSD if you launch 'su' in say, bash, your superuser shell will also be in bash. This is in contrast with just about every other *nix I've used and reduces the frustration associated with keeping the default root shell (as you should not change root's default shell!) or having some silly 'toor' login instead.

Is that your experience with "su -" as well?

[#] Tue Mar 12 2013 08:22:13 EDT from zooer @ Uncensored

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The more I read about my problem I started to realize the default shell with a new install is very limited.
I would be reading answers that wouldn't work, people were not addressing the default shell issue.

The ubuntu forms were always helpful and I could find answers quickly, this isn't the case with other distros.

Thank you for your help, I am working my way through other issues but that one had me stumped for a little

[#] Tue Mar 12 2013 12:08:20 EDT from the8088er @ Uncensored

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Is that your experience with "su -" as well?

Well golly gee. You learn something new every day don't ya!


[#] Tue Mar 12 2013 13:08:57 EDT from dothebart @ Uncensored

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csh & tcsh is a pita and schould be avoided, unless for the pure  masochism; in that case I would sugest trying digitals vms also, which has a real weird commandline interpreter.

ksh is known for its sophisticated and very dense syntax; once mastered you can get pretty quick in it i've heard.

zsh seems to gain traction on professional admins; its the default shell will give you.

[#] Thu Mar 14 2013 15:21:33 EDT from zooer @ Uncensored

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I worked throught a bunch of problems with my Virtualbox install. I found out I had to manual change servers
and that is why the pkg_add wasn't working. I tried using ports to install a few things but on larger packages
such as Gnome that is very painful. Fixed that but can't get mouse intigration to work in Virtualbox, it is
telling me I hardly have any drive space left, I am sure this is due to the ports intall but I can't get to a

So I figured what the hell just install it on the old trusty laptop as a multi-boot. I was using
unetbootin with an img file I download and that didn't seem to work. Somebody suggested just using unetbootin's
pull down menu, that only has FreeBSD 8.0. I tried it anyway and I was able to get to the install but it failed
when it tried to look for 8.0 on the FTP site.

I had plenty of problems trying to make sure I was using the correct partitions,
linux and unix call them
different things. I just said the hell with it and told it to use the whole damn drive (good-bye Win2K) Still
no luck.

When I attemped to install FreeBSD before I had a lot of problems and just said the hell with it.

[#] Fri Mar 15 2013 02:02:16 EDT from dothebart @ Uncensored

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heh, seems as if many more then just IG shout a "close the door when you leave" to de icasa...

[#] Fri Mar 15 2013 13:08:41 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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Actually for me it's more like "I hope the door *does* hit you in the ass on the way out."

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