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[#] Wed Nov 28 2012 06:47:08 EST from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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Over the weekend I ran updates on a computer I haven't touched since 2009 (it's more than a hundred miles away). It's running the LTS versions of Ubuntu.
I had to upgrade it twice, once to the 2010 version and again to the 2012 version.

The question of course arose as to whether this user would tolerate Unity.
I didn't have the time to reload the machine with Debian. As it turns out, spaceman mark actually had some quiet sensibility knocked into him -- it's now officially supported that you can do "apt-get install gnome-panel" to get the classic desktop, just like you do on Debian if you don't want gnome shell.

Spaceman Mark was very abusive towards users who rejected Unity (nearly all of us). I guess a big paying customer finally complained.

[#] Wed Nov 28 2012 09:23:40 EST from LoanShark @ Uncensored

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Like. Unity is to Ubuntu as the Start Screen is to Windows 8: a third trimester abortion--not nearly a third trimester abortion of a viable-but-premature fetus, as that would imply that this technology is viable, but a bloody mess nonetheless.....

[#] Wed Nov 28 2012 09:24:41 EST from LoanShark @ Uncensored

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Nice to be able to look at Microsoft and say, "You didn't build that", though -- spaceMark did. ;););)

[#] Wed Nov 28 2012 19:41:12 EST from zooer @ Uncensored

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Using Mint and the citadel-client. Mint seems nice, boots quickly. Still have to get all my regular programs installed and make links to my /home directory/zooer directory.

[#] Wed Nov 28 2012 21:05:32 EST from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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Predictably, the ubuntools are saying "it's been there all along" but they fail to admit that until 12.04 it was called "fallback" and very clearly deprecated and scheduled for eventual removal.

The alternative theory to a big paying customer complaining, might be that SpaceMark saw that Ubuntu really was plummeting in popularity and he made a commitment to continue offering gnome-panel out of sheer necessity. He's bullheaded but he's not stupid.

[#] Thu Nov 29 2012 14:10:27 EST from dowdle @ Uncensored

Subject: Switching from Unity on Ubuntu to something else?

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Iggie,

So HOW was that done exactly?  I tried to verify what you said by doing a fresh install of Ubuntu 12.10, getting it fully updated and then I installed gnome-panel and rebooted.  Then I logged in again and I got Unity still... or at least it looked exactly like Unity.  I didn't stay there long.

I logged out and looked at the login screen to see if there might be something related to session selection to pick something other than Unity but I didn't see anything... so HOW EXACTLY did you switch from Unity to something else... and what exactly was that something else?

-- 
TYL,
Scott Dowdle - Belgrade, Montana



[#] Fri Nov 30 2012 19:32:02 EST from zooer @ Uncensored

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Gnat posted a message a few weeks ago about gnome classic or installing gnome-fallback but I don't remember the
package or where the message was. What is the package to install the classic gnome or gnome2?

I am using mint and xfce, it had a "gnome classic" in the session menu but the desktop was unpleasant and I
figured it was missing some files.

[#] Sun Dec 02 2012 19:53:48 EST from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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The system I ran it on was upgraded from ubuntu 9, so I don't know whether there's anything special. However, from the web pages I read, it should just be "apt-get install gnome-panel". It used to be called "gnome-session-fallback" but I believe that package name is deprecated.

Anyway, to get that desktop, I simply selected it at the login screen.

[#] Sun Dec 02 2012 21:05:56 EST from zooer @ Uncensored

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I am using mint and it has the option for gnome, gnome clasic in the
session menu but the top and bottom panels are missing, and there is no
menu that offers to shutdown/log out or restart.

[#] Mon Dec 03 2012 16:20:47 EST from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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Ok, something's wrong with your installation then.

[#] Mon Dec 03 2012 18:46:29 EST from zooer @ Uncensored

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I am sure there is, I tried installing gnome desktop and it gave me more problems.

[#] Tue Dec 11 2012 13:32:44 EST from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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Here's a prompt I've never seen before.

You are about to do something potentially harmful.
To continue type in the phrase 'Yes, do as I say!'
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[#] Tue Dec 11 2012 16:54:35 EST from fleeb @ Uncensored

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Heh, that's nice!

[#] Wed Dec 12 2012 17:40:58 EST from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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Shall we call it a milestone?

[ http://tinyurl.com/c78mp6d ]

Linux kernel has officially dropped support for the 386.

According to Linus there was quite a bit of complexity removed by no longer having to support the original 32-bit x86 CPU.

[#] Wed Dec 12 2012 18:30:47 EST from dothebart @ Uncensored

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Cool!



[#] Wed Dec 12 2012 18:50:20 EST from LoanShark @ Uncensored

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According to Linus there was quite a bit of complexity removed by no

longer having to support the original 32-bit x86 CPU.

Like the fact that Linux almost certainly would no longer fit in the RAM available on any extant 386?


For the last several years running?

[#] Sat Dec 15 2012 00:13:33 EST from ax25 @ Uncensored

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Why boot the current mainline Linux when we still have Elks?

http://elks.sourceforge.net/introduction.html

You can fire up your old 8088 and run your 386 in real mode for some good old  clickety clack keyboard / floppy seeking fun.



[#] Sat Dec 15 2012 16:44:13 EST from zooer @ Uncensored

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[#] Sat Dec 15 2012 19:51:04 EST from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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The existence of things like ELKS and Minix3 suggest that perhaps eliminating i386 support wasn't going quite far enough.

If they ripped out all code supporting any IA-32 processor older than an i686 (P6) ... would anyone really notice? How many people are still trying to run Linux on any Intel machine older than a Pentium Pro?

[#] Sat Dec 15 2012 22:14:02 EST from LoanShark @ Uncensored

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If they ripped out all code supporting any IA-32 processor older than

an i686 (P6) ... would anyone really notice? How many people are still

trying to run Linux on any Intel machine older than a Pentium Pro?

I don't have full technical details here, but there are a few new x86 architectures that are based on the original Pentium. Ultra-dense, ultra-low-power cores tend to be 2x superscalar but in-order execution pipelines, and newer instruction set extensions are omitted. This corresponds to things like Xeon Phi.

Of course, Intel has the resources to maintain forks of older Linux kernels or subsets of/forward ports to newer ones for their embedded products.


But the technical point remains: Pentium lives!

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