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[#] Tue Aug 16 2011 16:11:34 EDT from LoanShark @ Uncensored

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Well, DEC went out of business ;)

[#] Thu Aug 18 2011 22:30:23 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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That was karma coming back at them for Ken Olsen saying "UNIX is snake oil" all those years ago.

Although it now seems that its current owner, HP, now seems to be voluntarily blowing itself up. WTF is up with them?

[#] Fri Aug 19 2011 15:03:07 EDT from dothebart @ Uncensored

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oh. hp drops webos? and want to sell their pc-business? (like ibm did to lenovo?)

I guess their drop in value...

well. not good news i'd say.



[#] Fri Aug 19 2011 15:37:31 EDT from LoanShark @ Uncensored

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Well, DEC went out of business ;)

wondering what the heck I was responding to. It sure wasn't the immediately preceding post. Something disappear or get moved?>

[#] Fri Aug 19 2011 17:00:45 EDT from Ford II @ Uncensored

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I just assumed you were making your usual non-sense. :-)

[#] Fri Aug 19 2011 17:46:18 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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I spent a considerable amount of time trying to figure out where you were going with that, and eventually just decided to run with it anyway.

But yeah, it seems as if HP is deliberately self-destructing. They're the #1 PC maker with 20% of the market, and they're getting out of that business.
Shutting down the WebOS unit I can understand; no one seems to want those devices anymore. Spinning off the PC business seems as if they like what happened to Sun and they're trying to get to the same place as quickly as possible.

[#] Sat Aug 20 2011 03:35:33 EDT from dothebart @ Uncensored

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yea, seems as if they should get carly fiorina back and continue manufacturing printer ink.

as for webos... one would think that a company like HP could do better in buying a promising technology and developing it to some point where everybody wants it...

as the register comments,  they might get a chance to license it, as maybe androids flag sinks with the motorola merger...

but they currently seem to be rather able to fork it instead of buying a license of another os...

I guess they're following their aquired companies compaq & dec into the hoods of insignificance.

I guess one could argue that intel managed to successfully evaporate all better alternatives to unix workstation & server processors with its itanic, and eventualy take them all out of business...

- alpha / dec dead.

- pa/risc HP;  dead.

- mips well sort of dead man walking, trying to become the next ARM since a decade now... promising fork of the technology in china

- powerpc Ok, we've got IBM, who didn't buy on itanic in first place,

- Sparc who might survive within sun/oracle

now there is no ex-intel / microsoft employee to blame for their decision to move "into the cloud" like over at nokia, though the stories seem somewhat similar...



[#] Sat Aug 20 2011 23:03:33 EDT from LoanShark @ Uncensored

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Aug 19 2011 5:00pm from Ford II @uncnsrd
I just assumed you were making your usual non-sense. :-)



All I can say is it definitely made sense to me at the time, and now it totally doesn't ;)

[#] Mon Aug 22 2011 10:38:40 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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dothebart: in all fairness, the successor to PA-RISC is IA-64 (Itanium). It isn't dead -- it simply failed to take its intended place as the successor to x86. At this point it must simply be considered HP's entry in the high end proprietary systems world; its brethren are SPARC and POWER.

Whether that's "enough" to keep it afloat is another story altogether. There are some workloads that will seemingly never migrate to the volume architecture (x86-64). I don't really have an opinion as to whether that's a good thing or a bad thing.

So it seems HP wants to become another IBM or Oracle. I think the next couple of years are going to serve as a painful reminder of how much they relied on the businesses they're dissolving or spinning off. A "focus on software" would seem to appear easy if HP is looking at companies like Oracle and Microsoft and IBM and saying "we're big like them; we can do that." It isn't that easy though. They could jump start it by acquiring SAP, but even with that head start, they'd need to have top management with flawless execution -- something that HP hasn't had much of lately.

[#] Mon Aug 22 2011 22:02:53 EDT from LoanShark @ Uncensored

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(Itanium). It isn't dead -- it simply failed to take its intended place


Right, it's resting.

[#] Mon Aug 22 2011 22:05:16 EDT from LoanShark @ Uncensored

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start it by acquiring SAP, but even with that head start, they'd need

to have top management with flawless execution -- something that HP
hasn't had much of lately.

Hey, they've always got printers. Paperless orifice be damned. PC load letter?

Perhaps I might add that DEC went out of business!

[#] Mon Aug 22 2011 23:09:39 EDT from Ford II @ Uncensored

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(Itanium). It isn't dead -- it simply failed to take its intended
place


Right, it's resting.

When I have time, I'm going to port OS/2 to the itanium, then you guys will know true beauty.

[#] Tue Aug 23 2011 00:40:18 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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True beauty was SPARC, during the era when Sun was a company run by engineers.

"We had joy, we had fun, we had Netscape on the Sun..."

(Even in its very first generation, x86 assembler was *never* elegant.)

[#] Tue Aug 23 2011 00:48:48 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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Perhaps I might add that DEC went out of business!

Zing! Nailed it this time :)

Perhaps that's the answer. All of the technology of three different companis, and HP goes strategic with the ones that suck the most. So it's obvious that this is a race to the bottom for them.

I wonder if there's a technology in there somewhere that's just an albatross around the neck of whatever company owns it. If that's the case, they should just go out and buy whatever's left of WordPerfect so they have the complete stack.

[#] Tue Aug 23 2011 13:32:04 EDT from LoanShark @ Uncensored

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True beauty was SPARC, during the era when Sun was a company run by

Too bad about that crazy rotating register file which requires all those interconnects on the chip... maybe a nice architecture for the assembly programmer (who?) but a tough one to implement in silicon with decent performance.

[#] Tue Aug 23 2011 13:29:59 EDT from LoanShark @ Uncensored

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Divesting the unprofitable parts of a large, corporate conglomerate is probably a lot like divesting the bad assets of an involvent bank. You could split it into a "bad bank" and a "good bank", give the bad bank all the bad assets and a disproportionate share of the liabilities... but that's equivalent to defaulting on your debts, and the investors will sue.

No doubt they've got a few albatrosses in there somewhere... I'm guessing that thosse are going to have to be handled as asset sales if they can find a willing buyer who can work with the smaller margins of the PC business (like Lenovo was for IBM)

[#] Tue Aug 23 2011 14:07:57 EDT from fleeb @ Uncensored

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Oh.. oh no... I can't resist..

SPARCitus.

[#] Wed Aug 31 2011 16:22:32 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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I guess this is as good a place as any to chronicle the rebuild of my server here at the Big Blue X, which is host to the various virtual machines I run ... including a site called uncensored.citadel.org (you're soaking in it).

Having been toasted by software RAID failures twice now, I'm simply not going to run RAID at all this time. And I don't have the money to spend on a hardware RAID controller.

I've been wanting to switch my server from CentOS to ProxMox VE [http://proxmox.org/products/proxmox-ve] which is, quite simply, the best way to deploy open source virtualization, hands down. I've touted the merits of this distribution before. It's based on a Debian build with the kernel optimized for KVM and OpenVZ deployments, and it's got a really nice web interface. Supports clustering, live migration, shared storage ... the works.

The question for me was how to begin taking full backups of the VM images without shutting them down. I settled on a practice that is fairly common among system administrators once you begin to think of the virtual machines as "database-like" applications. In my new deployment, the virtual disks (.qcow2 files) reside in a filesystem that lives on an LVM2 logical volume. I have written a script that will perform a snapshot of the logical volume, mount the snapshot read-only, rsync it to the backup destination, then unmount and destroy the snapshot.

After a couple of test runs I can confirm that I still *do* get the benefit of the rsync speedup, even though we are copying virtual machine images instead of files within the guest OS.

Once things settle in a bit I'll probably have it sync to both on-site and off-site backups.

[#] Wed Aug 31 2011 16:40:05 EDT from LoanShark @ Uncensored

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Sounds fishy. I think you may not get a time-consistent snapshot of the guest filesystems that you're backing up unless you perform xfs_freeze (or its equivalent under ext4 4, write_super_{un,}lockfs) in the *guest*

[#] Wed Aug 31 2011 16:44:30 EDT from zooer @ Uncensored

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Wed Aug 31 2011 16:22:32 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored
Having been toasted by software RAID failures twice now, I'm simply not going to run RAID at all this time. And I don't have the money to spend on a hardware RAID controller.

 

A hardware RAID can also fail, and take data with it.



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