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[#] Tue Jul 05 2011 17:26:22 EDT from Ford II @ Uncensored

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here's a question... are there any linux distros for phones or tablets? As in I've got an android gizmo which is basically running a shy version of linux, can I run something else on it that has an on screen keyboard? Has anybody done that yet?

[#] Tue Jul 05 2011 19:05:25 EDT from dothebart @ Uncensored

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well, if you accept the GPL you're allowed to change, compile and redistribute the source. Part of the GPL is, that you accept to give this right to others.

so if you don't want others to change, redistribute source and biraries, you effectively didn't accept the GPL and if you don't accept the terms of the GPL you're effectively not allowed to distribute that code in any form.

so... this would be a first aproach to revoke somebodies license because of he didn't accept the license terms ;-)



[#] Tue Jul 05 2011 20:34:28 EDT from the_mgt @ Uncensored

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That is not dead which can eternal lie. And with strange aeons even death may die...

Proper linux on phones/mobile devices seems to be caught in the cold fangs/tentacles/whatever of ye elder gods sleeping away in R'lyeh. There is one current project going on which consolidates a few efforts, but I forgot the name, will post if I remember. Here are some other projects:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Openmoko

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maemo

http://www.mail-archive.com/enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net/msg30689.html

Since Samsung is sponsoring Enlightenment and the EFL and they also employ Carsten Haitzler (aka Raster(man)) and at least two other enlightenment devs, I hope something is going to hit the market soonish. I already saw a prototype of a samsung mobile on the Cebit and damn it looked good and was snappy.



[#] Tue Jul 05 2011 22:18:58 EDT from Ford II @ Uncensored

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see the thing that gets me is that for all the wonderfulness of android, raw native compiled-to-the-metal linux should be snappier/faster/make better use of the hardware rather than all that interpreted java-like bullshit.
Now I realize that they've gotten the java stuff pretty well done, and let's face it, the GUI linux stuff sucks ass performance wise, so I may be asking for something worse than android, but I know it's possible.

I'm going to hold up steve whasshianem gibson, the last guy to ever write a line of code in x86 assembly. If HE were to write something to the arm hardware, we'd have some pretty damn impressive phones nowadays.
Sigh.

[#] Tue Jul 05 2011 21:36:26 EDT from matt @ comalies

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Wed Jul 06 2011 10:34:28 AM EST from the_mgt @ Uncensored Subject: Re:

Since Samsung is sponsoring Enlightenment and the EFL and they also employ Carsten Haitzler (aka Raster(man)) and at least two other enlightenment devs, I hope something is going to hit the market soonish. I already saw a prototype of a samsung mobile on the Cebit and damn it looked good and was snappy.

I thought Bada OS was built on EFL? Thats been around for some time now (Samsung Wave etc.)


[#] Wed Jul 06 2011 13:00:14 EDT from the_mgt @ Uncensored

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@matt: from hanging around at #e on freenode, what I understood is, that bada is not in any way related to e/efl. It is just some homebrew samsung stuff, like nokia did with symbian (rip). These enterprises have far too much money and tend to unerringly flush it down the toilet with some shortliving inhouse nonsense.

Totally unrelated to mobile phones, while I was waiting for CentOS6 and the first evarrr 64bit CentOS, I found ClearOS. And was blown away by the webinterface they provide for administering Samba/LDAP/NFS/FTP/Younameit. I always thought Webmin was kind of a hackish approach which took the wrong turn somewhere. ClearOS definetly took the right one. (It derrived from Clarkconnect, maybe that rings a bell). And while it can be argued that "subscribing" and "registering" a linux seems odd, I have never seen a system which can even be adminstered by your usual "I am the Windows admin around here" kind of clickety-click guy. So they, like me, waited too long for CentOS to sober up and bring forth the new release, so they are creating their own "Core" version (without the nifty UI):  http://www.clearfoundation.com/ClearFoundation-Blog/411-clearos-core-vs-clearos-enterprise-whats-the-diff.html



[#] Thu Jul 07 2011 04:49:04 EDT from saltine @ Uncensored

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I think the no modify thing for ISDN is probably related to FCC and CE or whatever the European agency is..
To connect a device to a hardwire phoneline requires FCC approval; a change to that device would require recertification.
Maybe thats why they say you should not change it, but neglected to mention the reason why.

just a wild uneducated guess

[#] Sat Jul 09 2011 04:28:28 EDT from the_mgt @ Uncensored

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[#] Sun Jul 10 2011 10:29:23 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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This does look interesting. CentOS has indeed been slacking off. On the other hand, how many people really do need full RHEL compatibility anyway?
I've actually been considering making the switch over to either Ubuntu or Debian in our data center. The only reason we haven't is fragmentation -- my NOC staff is trained on CentOS and they know how to maintain it.

Hmm. Does the stock Debian distribution have a way to do a complete in-place online upgrade to every new version, the same way Ubuntu does
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[#] Sun Jul 10 2011 10:50:13 EDT from dothebart @ Uncensored

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So Jul 10 2011 10:29:23 EDT von IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored
Hmm. Does the stock Debian distribution have a way to do a complete in-place online upgrade to every new version, the same way Ubuntu does
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ubuntu derived this from debian.

imho it does even work smarter in debian.

though a more frequent release of ubuntu is garanted, debian is released if its done.



[#] Sun Jul 10 2011 19:51:58 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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Heh. And the CentOS 6.0 ISO's just landed today. :)

[#] Sun Jul 10 2011 21:36:28 EDT from the_mgt @ Uncensored

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Hehe, pretty ironic.

afaik, ClearOS decided to base their distribution (again) on RHEL sources directly in order to rely less on CentOS, not so much for full compatibility reasons. They were tired of waiting. Btw, as a google fanboy, you might like the idea of the appstore in the ClearOS webinterface. :-P

I will try and compare the 64bit versions of both distros in the next weeks, will give feedback then. (Also, how well the citadel rpms work!)



[#] Mon Jul 11 2011 13:02:02 EDT from LoanShark @ Uncensored

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cool. gonna start slurping centos 6 ASAP. RHEL is still the system I know, has long support lifecycles, is released when it's ready and not before, has good commercial support, and was built and hardened by the guys who pioneered the Linux implementations of several important enterprise technologies. That's enough for me.

[#] Tue Jul 12 2011 13:51:25 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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That's pretty much the set of reasons why we went with CentOS (with a potential upgrade path to RHEL if someone needs it) as our data center standard.

I have to admit that I am warming up to the Debian/Ubuntu way of doing things, but I would need a very compelling reason to have to get all of the support infrastructure in place, train the whole NOC staff, etc.

[#] Tue Jul 12 2011 15:40:24 EDT from LoanShark @ Uncensored

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/bin/service doesn't reproduce the boot-time environment, and should live in /sbin. Non-starter, I tells you!

[#] Tue Jul 12 2011 15:52:17 EDT from LoanShark @ Uncensored

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On the other hand, the customer is always right and if the customer wants Ubuntu... I dunno. But that might not be important; the broader question for you is, "how do I stack up against EC2 and RackSpace"?

With our EC2+RightScale stack, I can click a few buttons and spin up a new server, which is based on an AMI image plus a set of customizable installation scripts. I can click a radio button and choose whether those scripts run on top of CentOS or Ubuntu (various versions available) as the underlying image.



There are a few places in our environment where we're dealing with some distro-specific installation code in our scripts that we'd prefer not to have to deal with; one or two of our servers are running CentOS and the rest are on Ubuntu (wasn't my choice.)

[#] Wed Jul 13 2011 11:39:58 EDT from athos-mn @ Uncensored

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I've been given a problem by someone, and am curious how you all think this will work:

 

A client of the company I work for has an ancient Fedore Core 2 that we never backed-up properly (long story on that - thankfully it doesn't involve me) and has a custom program on it that's been retired, but is occasionally referenced. After two drives on the RAID 5 went south, the programmer, who was fired two years ago, told them to take a hike.

 

My plan is to take the drives to a recovery place (OnTrack) and see if they can deliver a coherent filesystem (as opposed to "here's a DVD with one segement of the array, here's a DVD with another - have fun putting them together!"), reinstall the OS (if nothing else to get the boot loader on it), then copy everything over - if not live than via a boot CD.

 

The last time I tried anything like this was in 1997 on a SCO OpenServer box, but I had a cpio backup - so everything else was in place for the restore.

 

Many thanks.



[#] Thu Jul 14 2011 10:25:14 EDT from Freakdog @ Dog Pound BBS II

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Wed Jul 13 2011 11:39:58 AM EDT from athos-mn @ Uncensored

I've been given a problem by someone, and am curious how you all think this will work:

 

A client of the company I work for has an ancient Fedore Core 2 that we never backed-up properly (long story on that - thankfully it doesn't involve me) and has a custom program on it that's been retired, but is occasionally referenced. After two drives on the RAID 5 went south, the programmer, who was fired two years ago, told them to take a hike.

 

My plan is to take the drives to a recovery place (OnTrack) and see if they can deliver a coherent filesystem (as opposed to "here's a DVD with one segement of the array, here's a DVD with another - have fun putting them together!"), reinstall the OS (if nothing else to get the boot loader on it), then copy everything over - if not live than via a boot CD.

 

The last time I tried anything like this was in 1997 on a SCO OpenServer box, but I had a cpio backup - so everything else was in place for the restore.

 

Many thanks.



I've had good luck with OnTrack, in the past...used it to recover a drive that had gone bad in an Netware 3.12 server.

While they're expensive as all get out, if the data recovery is really necessary, it's worth it.  When my personal server's drives bit the farm a couple of years ago, I took them to a local service, but they couldn't read anything that didn't come from a Windows system (last time I'll go with them...even if one of my family's Windows machines goes to hell).



[#] Thu Jul 14 2011 19:03:31 EDT from the_mgt @ Uncensored

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As an el cheapo alternative I can recommend Zero Assumption Recovery, it did really impressive recoveries for me, at least for various states of messed up NTFS partitions. They have linux fs support and even raid recovery and if you are lucky, you get your license for 50% on some weekends. (And I don't usually buy software (let alone use illegal copies) because there is often an opensource alternative.) But if money is  no problem and the drives are paleolithic, go for OnTrack or some other pros.

Link http://www.z-a-recovery.com/



[#] Fri Jul 15 2011 12:29:25 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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On the other hand, the customer is always right and if the customer
wants Ubuntu... I dunno. But that might not be important; the broader

question for you is, "how do I stack up against EC2 and RackSpace"?


The customer is not always right. The customer is in charge. That's not the same thing. It's our job to help them be right. At least that's the approach we take, and it is appreciated most of the time.

Stacking up against EC2 and Rackspace is a different issue altogether. We've never been able to compete with the retail grade web hosting places, and we don't intend to compete with the retail grade cloud providers either. It's not a game we can win.

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