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[#] Thu Dec 03 2009 12:35:44 EST from Spell Binder @ Uncensored

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I've always been a fan of Logitech peripherals. I've almost never had issues with their hardware or software, and their stuff is pretty sturdy and comfortable to use.

Unfortunately, I don't see a lot of official Linux support for their webcams on their website, though a quick google shows that there are Linux drivers available. I've not used any webcams under Linux, so I can't say how reliable they are.
Logitech Binder

[#] Thu Dec 03 2009 14:18:32 EST from Ford II @ Uncensored

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Curious timing coincidence. My mom just wrote me today asking the same thing.
She uses skype, and there's a linux version of skype, so it's just a matter of finding a webcam that's linux/skype compatible.

[#] Thu Dec 03 2009 16:35:53 EST from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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Your mom has a Linux box and wants to skype with her grandmother?

[#] Fri Dec 04 2009 00:32:23 EST from skpacman @ Uncensored

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I successfully updated my laptop to Ubuntu9.10 WITHOUT a CD/USB


used unetbootin to get basic installation and did sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop from there. went like a greased breeze. easier than Pie, and i love pie....


Mind you, my laptop is getting close to 10 years old and is on its last legs... but hey, better to get the most out of it with linux than waste my time with windows...

[#] Fri Dec 04 2009 09:31:17 EST from Ford II @ Uncensored

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somebody told me last night that either kmart, walmart or target or some place like that has some kind of small machine for $35 that somebody managed to hack linux onto, thus making a $35 netbook.
Anybody hear of such a thing I can't find it anywhere.

[#] Fri Dec 04 2009 11:47:41 EST from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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used unetbootin to get basic installation and did sudo apt-get
install ubuntu-desktop from there. went like a greased breeze. easier
than Pie, and i love pie....

Do you have any other Ubuntu machines? There's a menu item under System-->Administration called "USB Startup Disk Creator" which lets you create installable USB images from .iso images. It works surprisingly well.

[#] Fri Dec 04 2009 11:48:26 EST from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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some place like that has some kind of small machine for $35 that
somebody managed to hack linux onto, thus making a $35 netbook.

ZipIt wireless ... that name sounds familiar. I think someone among us works there, but I can't remember who.

[#] Tue Dec 08 2009 19:32:56 EST from Harbard @ Uncensored

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Grrrr.....kernel updates.  No video driver to go with it.  Now my second monitor doesn't work.


Why don't the developers pre-release kernel updates to the video driver vendors so we have a fighting chance of having our systems function properly after updates?  Especially since there does not seem to be any way to turn of the notifications.  Hell I even waited a day before updating to allow time for the new drivers to be released.

[#] Wed Dec 09 2009 15:23:04 EST from Ford II @ Uncensored

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That's what you get for running linux.

[#] Wed Dec 09 2009 15:55:03 EST from Harbard @ Uncensored

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No...that's Fedora.  No way to tell it to stop up dating..or only up date on Sundays at 1:00 AM...that would solve the problem.  I could just boot the previous kernel I suppose.....

[#] Wed Dec 09 2009 19:09:54 EST from LoanShark @ Uncensored

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No...that's Fedora.  No way to tell it to stop up dating..or only up

Actually, you can tell it to stop updating.

Yum.conf(?) has excludes, which you can apply to kernel-*

There is certainly nobody forcing you to run yum-updatesd or puplet or to click on the confirmation dialog box, either.

I second the "that's Fedora", though. If you want API stability, run CentOS, or if you want video driver support in a roll-your-own, use vanilla kernels, or perhaps maintenance project kernels. (Which don't integrate nearly as well with Fedora...)

Linux in general does a bad job at API stability, but I'd expect better API stability from patches to a popular distro like Fedora. They really do treat you like guinea pigs.

[#] Thu Dec 10 2009 07:02:01 EST from Ford II @ Uncensored

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I don't think anybody can complain about volunteering to be a gineapig.
yo don't have to run any of this.

[#] Thu Dec 10 2009 13:09:49 EST from Harbard @ Uncensored

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It's still a free country...I can complain all I want!  Not that it does any good.


In any case, the Linux proselytizers like to claim how much better Linux is than Windows.  Sadly, it just ain't true.  I wish it was.  It is the installation and configuration issues that hold Linux back.  They tend to forget that you have to have a system that runs all of the time even after updates.  You shouldn't have to worry about reconfiguring something as basic as your video card after a routine update.


[#] Thu Dec 10 2009 13:49:18 EST from Ford II @ Uncensored

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It is true, but you have to look at it through the eyes of somebody who doesn't find configuration problems annoying. They just accept that as part of daily computer usage, but average joe users need the whole thing to be easy.
And most linux geeks are not joe average.

[#] Thu Dec 10 2009 15:05:04 EST from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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Right -- most Windows users just wipe the disk and reinstall ... or they just buy a new computer :)

[#] Thu Dec 10 2009 15:34:11 EST from Peter Pulse @ Uncensored

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Yes, it's true, binary compatibility and forward-backward compatibility in general could be a lot better. This has been a long standing complaint, we have all bitched about it in detail. Linus has maintained his stance that in order for hardware manufacturers to be sure that their drivers will continue to work, they must be supplied as source and included in the kernel distribution.
Whether that stance has hurt or helped linux in the long term is debatable.
But at the same time it must be remembered that it was not very long ago that Windows was pretty awful in this regard too. It has really only been the last maybe 5 years that Windows has been pretty stable, and that is only because once they got XP settled down, people stuck with it for a while and would not let go. Windows Vista was effectively skipped. Bottom line is that Linux exists because of its unique development model and while I would prefer that there were a czar of linux whoop-ass who could lay down the law in regard to compatibility management, and end these problems.. I recognize that such things are unlikely to happen quite like that in open-source-land.
Just like Microsoft is unlikely to change their behavior either...

[#] Thu Dec 10 2009 17:12:05 EST from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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Again, it's important to set aside the misconception that Linux is a single product from a single vendor. It's frustrating that binary compatibility changes so frequently, and I do blame Linus for being such an asshole about that. It would be nice to have a driver ABI that would be stable for at least a couple of years at a time instead of one that breaks with every single kernel update.

[#] Thu Dec 10 2009 17:30:09 EST from LoanShark @ Uncensored

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It has nothing to do with Linus in this case, really. A distro like Fedora should standardize on a single compatibility level of the kernel, and any updates should not break source compatibility with driver modules, at minimum, so that people like NVidia who have their "binary blob plus source-compiled glue layer" model, can have their stuff continue to work.

Sadly Fedora just doesn't do what they allege they're going to do, in this regard. RHEL does a much better job of it.

[#] Thu Dec 10 2009 18:34:26 EST from LoanShark @ Uncensored

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in other news, looks like there's been an effort to remove Lance Davis
from any credits in CentOS:

--- CentOS-Base.repo 2009-08-21 17:24:26.000000000 -0400
+++ CentOS-Base.repo.rpmnew 2009-10-01 08:27:30.000000000 -0400
@@ -1,6 +1,5 @@
# CentOS-Base.repo
-# This file uses a new mirrorlist system developed by Lance Davis for
# The mirror system uses the connecting IP address of the client and
# update status of each mirror to pick mirrors that are updated to and
# geographically close to the client. You should use this for CentOS
@@ -17,7 +16,6 @@

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