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[#] Wed Nov 18 2009 11:15:16 EST from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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The general rule of thumb is to wait a while to upgrade to any new release.
No matter how much pre-testing was done (and Ubuntu does more than most), there will be a lot more issues fixed if you let the initial group of upgraders shake it out for a while.

[#] Wed Nov 18 2009 12:25:50 EST from kinetix @ ColabX

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ford ii: Thanks for that summary - I rely on vmware for a few things and I've been holding off on updating to 9.10 mostly to let the dust settle.

[#] Wed Nov 18 2009 19:08:40 EST from Ford II @ Uncensored

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get workstation 7, that seems to work fine.
and they did fix one thing.
ubuntu 9.04 won't power down the screen if a vmware window has focus. vm7 and ubuntu 9.10 one of them fixed that.

[#] Thu Nov 19 2009 17:30:18 EST from fleeb @ Uncensored

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Looks like Chromium (Google's operating system) is based on Linux:

[#] Thu Nov 19 2009 17:32:33 EST from skpacman @ Uncensored

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yup,  read another article like that a few weeks ago.

they were testing a bunch of different kernels to see which one could handle their ideal gui the best.

there's an (illegal) prebuild out there by someone who nabbed it off of their public project ftp site but it's long-gone now.

i cant wait to give it a go, looks fun :)

[#] Thu Nov 19 2009 17:43:26 EST from fleeb @ Uncensored

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You do not have to wait (except, perhaps, to get the hardware you want to use). They just released the source... you can build it and try it out for yourself.

[#] Thu Nov 19 2009 17:48:09 EST from skpacman @ Uncensored

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but i'm too lazy to build from source

spoon feed me the finished product please :)

[#] Thu Nov 19 2009 18:05:37 EST from fleeb @ Uncensored

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Ahh.. well, hrm... I wonder how hard it would be to install it on an existing netbook device. I suspect it's fairly easy. I would give it a shot if I felt a little more secure in my finances.

[#] Thu Nov 19 2009 19:55:49 EST from Peter Pulse @ Uncensored

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Mosaic was the first web browser as we know it.. it came before Netscape.
Netscape was developed by some people who had participated in the development of Mosaic. Before Mosaic there were a couple of other browsers including the orginal one for NeXTSTEP that Tim Berners-Lee wrote, I think it was just called World Wide Web. But Mosaic had inline images and looked/worked like the broswers we use now, it was the prototype for all of them. The first browser I used was Mosaic on NeXTSTEP, it was pretty early and there was not too much to see there just yet, it was all departmental sites, research projects and people experimenting. At first there were not really any forms actually I can't remember if forms were even supported yet.. mostly I just saw ISINDEX type stuff.

[#] Thu Nov 19 2009 21:56:30 EST from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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Yeah, it was basically just a slightly improved version of Gopher. :) In the extremely early days it didn't even have inline images.

As for Netscape ... the techies there didn't want to call it Netscape, they wanted to call it "Mozilla." It was a super-beasty remake of Mosaic. The release notes for early versions of Netscape always ended with: "And remember, it's *spelled* N-E-T-S-C-A-P-E, but it's pronounced 'Mozilla'." Not untill the demise of Netscape Corp. did they actually give the code its originally desired name.

Ok, now I feel *old*.

[#] Thu Nov 19 2009 22:03:43 EST from Peter Pulse @ Uncensored

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Tell me about it...

[#] Fri Nov 20 2009 07:52:47 EST from skpacman @ Uncensored

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Ok, now I feel *old*.

You're not old, you're "experienced".

[#] Fri Nov 20 2009 18:09:10 EST from Ford II @ Uncensored

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and old.

[#] Tue Nov 24 2009 17:18:24 EST from Spell Binder @ Uncensored

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I remember using Mosaic on AIX back in 1995 or so, and it definitely was just a step or two up from Gopher.

[#] Fri Nov 27 2009 15:16:38 EST from skpacman @ Uncensored

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Big News:


After reviewing the beta/RC1 release of Windows7, my wife has decided that it's not worth it to buy the home package for $120 just for an update that is not needed. WindowsXP sucked horribly for what we needed.

So, after some long and difficult discussion with my wife, we decided to change all of our machines to Ubuntu9.10 and run any windows-only apps that are required in Wine or VM or dual boot with WindowsXP (but i hope not...)

The only thing i'm a bit scared about is if Photoshop will run in Wine. I know we got GIMP and my wife loves using it for her photography business, but it doesn't do a few things that she uses all the time.


lmao, how am i going to break this to my windows-loving best friend? he was going to offer us a discount for win7pro... i dont think i want it though..  i mean.. ubuntu is FREE  :) cant beat that.

[#] Fri Nov 27 2009 15:28:57 EST from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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Photoshop is known to run properly in Wine. In fact, if you buy the "Crossover" version of Wine, I think it's one of the apps they guarantee will work.

[#] Fri Nov 27 2009 15:35:24 EST from skpacman @ Uncensored

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Sweet.  Thanks IG

I'll be getting Crossover then.

I guess for my game development i'll use a VM with XP since that's what we design our game around. I found a good way to get our game working in linux too.. i'll have to get that post again but it seems to have eluded me. It was on RaGEZONE once but removed since they're anti-linux. -.-

[#] Sat Nov 28 2009 19:23:04 EST from LoanShark @ Uncensored

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So, after some long and difficult discussion with my wife, we decided

Always bad news, trying to impose software decisions on the wife. If anything breaks, you get to support it.

n.b. my gf uses the version of windows that I choose, but they're my computers and if she ever wants to hook up her ancient Mac again, she's more than welcome to. (I already brought it back fronm the dead, once.)

[#] Sun Nov 29 2009 20:03:50 EST from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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The flipside of that: if your wife selects her own hardware and software, and it breaks, you *still* have to support it, so you might as well have some say in it.

When my wife got her own computer, I took a look at her requirements and determined that a Mac would serve her needs better than a Linux machine. So we got a Mac ... but it's also hooked up to our Linux network using NIS and NFS, so we don't have to worry about things like backup.

[#] Sun Nov 29 2009 23:25:25 EST from LoanShark @ Uncensored

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That's just sensible. Actually it sounds like kind of a bummer that simply setting up a dual boot has required tons of negotiation with the wife. Seriously what's up with that. Just set her up an evaluation copy in a
Virtualbox and let her decide whether she likes it. This should not be some big ideologically driven decision, especially when the wife is involved. This just smells bad to me.

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