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[#] Tue May 12 2009 07:43:21 EDT from Ford II @ Uncensored

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why do you say c++ forces more lock-in than C?

[#] Tue May 12 2009 10:49:39 EDT from fleeb @ Uncensored

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Yeah, I'm not sure I understand how the language creates lock-in.

[#] Tue May 12 2009 12:22:17 EDT from dothebart @ Uncensored

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you've got glib, which delivers a quiet descent framework which you can use without X11. for example mpd (which is a headless mp3 player with tcp control) switched to it recently.

if you do KDE, you need the whole toolchain; i've seen verry few kde related programms (count QLandkaret/GT on that list)

 



[#] Tue May 12 2009 21:41:27 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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I'd actually like to see KDE get smaller and smaller until it gets to the point where most of the applications can be written in plain Qt.  Then we'd get Mac and Windows versions for free.  That'd be a nice place to be.



[#] Mon Jun 01 2009 13:02:01 EDT from dowdle @ Uncensored

Subject: One desktop to rule them all?

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Wow,

I hadn't logged in for a while. Sorry.  I was watching a video presentation about Google Wave and thought to myself... hey, that reminds me of Citadel... and ding... it reminded me to login.

So, here's a comment from a posting a while ago:

> We're still waiting for either GNOME or KDE to die.

Why are we waiting for them to die?  I think competition is good.  Where would either be wtihout the other?  I think both projects competing with each other has been very good and that without that competion, neither one would be half of what it is today.

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Scott Dowdle
Belgrade, MT
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[#] Mon Jun 01 2009 13:26:44 EDT from dowdle @ Uncensored

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Greetings,

> there's always the fact that Microsoft paid Miguel de Icaza to start the GNOME project in order to deliberately fragment the community and slow the progress of KDE.

Hmm, I'm not sure where you got that idea.  Miguel had been contributing to free software for quite a while before GNOME was started.  The main reason GNOME was started was because there were a number of people who were uncertain about the license that Trolltech released QT under... and they were right to be concerned... because if someone had bought Trolltech they could have totally screwed up KDE.

Sometime after GNOME was started the Trolltech folks decided to create a non-profit foundation as well as dual-license QT.  That was definitely a positive move and made most folks feel more comfortable with QT and KDE... although it didn't stop the GNOME project.

If I remember correctly one of Miquel's first projects was Midnight Commander (mc) which was a clone of a DOS program Norton Commander.  Then he got heavily involved with the Gnumeric spreadsheet.  He seems to have a track record of identifying good closed products and making a free clone of them.  Then there was Red Carpet... which got bought out by Novell... and the whole Mono Project thing.  I personally do not use mono and remove all mono apps but I don't say everyone needs to.

TYL,

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Scott Dowdle
Belgrade, MT
dowdle@montanalinux.org



[#] Mon Jun 01 2009 13:31:34 EDT from dowdle @ Uncensored

Subject: QT apps on Windows and Mac?

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Greetings,

> I'd actually like to see KDE get smaller and smaller until it gets to the point where most of the applications can be

> written in plain Qt. Then we'd get Mac and Windows versions for free.

One of the goals with KDE 4 is to make it multi-platform.  They have ports for Windows and Mac but they are still working on it.  The design of KDE 4 was very broad and meant to be a foundation that would last at least 10 years.  For that reason they really did a lot of work figuring out what libraries were needed and what would make it easy for app developers.  It reminds me of the work Apple has done with their "core" series of libraries.

TYL,

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Scott Dowdle
Belgrade, MT
dowdle@montanalinux.org



[#] Mon Jun 01 2009 17:11:55 EDT from Ford II @ Uncensored

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so it's actually QT's fault gnome exists. Too bad.

[#] Mon Jun 01 2009 22:58:20 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

Subject: Re: One desktop to rule them all?

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I hadn't logged in for a while. Sorry.  I was watching a video presentation

about Google Wave and thought to myself... hey, that reminds me of Citadel...

and ding... it reminded me to login.

They're doing some interesting things in Wave. I don't know if it'll catch on, but if it does, they have fortunately opened the protocol so we'll be able to interoperate with it.

[#] Thu Jun 04 2009 17:12:00 EDT from dothebart @ Uncensored

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fedora to remove 'tomboy' some sort of a personal wiki  from the core distribution.

its sort of the 'last reason' to have mono in fedora.

thank god debian never got such a dependency.

(a java or python dependencies would also turn me down)



[#] Thu Jun 04 2009 21:53:34 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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Mono is finally starting to fall out of favor with Linux distributors (except for Novell, of course). The freenies whined loud and long enough, and for once they did some good.

[#] Mon Jun 08 2009 03:23:55 EDT from samjam @ Uncensored

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Thu Jun 04 2009 9:53:34 pm EDT EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored
Mono is finally starting to fall out of favor with Linux distributors (except for Novell, of course). The freenies whined loud and long enough, and for once they did some good.

I think Vala (broken record) is a big part of the reason for this. Folk can write in a C# style language but have all the benefits of native C and the gnome libraries - and thus be as portable as gnome is.

Sam



[#] Mon Jun 08 2009 12:51:49 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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What exactly constitutes "a C# style language" when C# is really just another C-like language?

[#] Wed Jun 10 2009 16:30:09 EDT from samjam @ Uncensored

Subject: vala

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Mon Jun 08 2009 12:51:49 PM EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored
What exactly constitutes "a C# style language" when C# is really just another C-like language?

lambdas, closures, generics, classes, and no doubt more.

With all the advantages of compiling to C so you can write C libraries. Even virtual methods (for each class in the hierachy) have a plain public function which then looks up the virtual method behind the scenes.

Sam



[#] Wed Jun 10 2009 16:31:57 EDT from samjam @ Uncensored

Subject: vala

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Wed Jun 10 2009 04:30:09 PM EDT from samjam @ Uncensored Subject: vala

 

Mon Jun 08 2009 12:51:49 PM EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored
What exactly constitutes "a C# style language" when C# is really just another C-like language?

lambdas, closures, generics, classes, and no doubt more.

With all the advantages of compiling to C so you can write C libraries. Even virtual methods (for each class in the hierachy) have a plain public function which then looks up the virtual method behind the scenes.

Sam



Ownership tracking, reference counting. If vala was around 20 years ago you would have used it for citadel; but because you can write vapi "definition files" to import C as vala, you (or I) could even migrate to Vala as quickly or slowly as we liked.

(You don't have to use glib or gnome to use vala, but it's better that way)

Sam



[#] Thu Jun 11 2009 08:42:13 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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Here's an interesting article on choosing the appropriate I/O scheduler for a Linux installation.

http://lonesysadmin.net/2008/02/21/elevatornoop/

If your storage system isn't a physical spinning disk, the default scheduler may not be the best one, because it wants to optimize disk accesses for a physical read/write head. There's also "elevator=noop" which makes disk access completely dumb. This may be more appropriate for solid state disks, heavily write cached RAID subsystems, and virtual machines.

[#] Mon Jun 15 2009 15:56:15 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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And here's some interesting news.

http://tinyurl.com/mqruer

Ubuntu is launching an effort called "One Hundred Paper Cuts" in which they are dedicating development resources to fixing small issues that are merely annoying rather than broken. The aim is to improve the user experience.

They're also accepting input right now to nominate the 100 "paper cut" bugs they will fix before the next release of the operating system this fall.

[#] Sat Jun 20 2009 16:39:35 EDT from PanaSonic @ Uncensored

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I'll bite - "hire a UI designer" - that will solve a couple million problems for them....

[#] Mon Jun 29 2009 17:39:41 EDT from dothebart @ Uncensored

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[#] Fri Jul 03 2009 14:49:48 EDT from fleeb @ Uncensored

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http://helpmerick.com/senior-uses-ubuntu-system-14-months-trouble-free.htm

As the URL says... a 70+ year old woman didn't call her younger friend for technical support until 14 months passed... and even then, the problems she had did not involve the operating system.

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