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[#] Mon Apr 20 2009 09:00:03 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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Discussion of Oracle's acquisition of Sun will be in the Unix> room...

[#] Mon Apr 20 2009 16:34:12 EDT from LoanShark @ Uncensored

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What's everyone think of KDE4.2? Looks pretty Vista-like.

Can't get desktop effects to work properly under Virtualbox, despite the supposed 3D acceleration.

[#] Mon Apr 20 2009 17:49:21 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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Haven't seen it run yet ... is anyone including it yet or do you have to build from source?

[#] Mon Apr 20 2009 17:54:35 EDT from LoanShark @ Uncensored

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Fedora 10/11 have it.

[#] Mon Apr 20 2009 17:55:16 EDT from LoanShark @ Uncensored

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It includes something that appears to be a fulltext search engine based on MySQL, which spews a window full of warnings every time you launch the desktop. Lame.

[#] Fri Apr 24 2009 12:52:33 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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The problem with TCO analysis is that everyone's got an opinion on how to come up with the "real" numbers.

Oh by the way ... Ubu 9.04 was released this week. I'll probably wait for the mirrors to cool off a bit though.

[#] Fri Apr 24 2009 13:31:01 EDT from Peter Pulse @ Uncensored

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So, I am trying to do this kiosk type thing.. where I have this big LED sign.. and I am writing a web app (cgi probably) that presents a web interface to edit the message on the sign. So, this is kind of a quickie project and I'm not getting paid for it either.. So I am not getting fancy... The other issue is that I do not have a linux box to do this, I have a Windows laptop for the kiosk. All the application needs is: web server with CGI capability, perl, ability to access a real serial port that is on the laptop, browser that is in enough of a closed down config to prevent casual users from navigating away from my application or messing anything up without really trying. So, my first inclination was to take my 8 gig USB flash drive and install some kind of flash drive linux distro on it, and boot from that... So, does anyone know what distro would be good? Second question is what broswer is the easiest to start up in a kiosk typoe mode? Last question is, should I forget linux and just install Windows versions of perl and apache??
My concern is that I don't want people messing with my windows envoronment.

[#] Fri Apr 24 2009 15:13:11 EDT from LoanShark @ Uncensored

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How can you compute Total Cost of Ownership for Linux when Linux can't be "owned"?

If you get the unsupported free versions, you get what you pay for.. no guarantees.

[#] Fri Apr 24 2009 15:23:32 EDT from Ragnar Danneskjold @ Uncensored

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How can you compare? When there are *nix problems, they are generally big and nasty. When you have Windows problems, you generally reboot.

[#] Fri Apr 24 2009 15:43:58 EDT from Peter Pulse @ Uncensored

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No comments on the kiosk thing eh? Well, I found a nifty thing called unetbootin which promises to painlessly download and install distro of your choice on a USB drive and make it bootable.. but now to decide two things.. what distro?
And do I want to take the time to figure out how to partition my USB stick so I don't lose the normal use of it which requires FAT32 space? Couple of tutorials explain how to partition your USB stick in Windows by flipping the "removable" bit.. but warns you it might destroy your stick, which I would prefer to not do. Also nobody explains any down side to doing this, which tends to concern me.

[#] Fri Apr 24 2009 16:15:21 EDT from Ford II @ Uncensored

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sticks are slow, and you can only write so many thousands of times and then it does
But sticks are cheap, no? So I wouldn't spend too much time partitioning yours, just buy a 1 gigger and install the smallest LAMP distro you can find that will install on it and try it out.

[#] Fri Apr 24 2009 17:47:11 EDT from Peter Pulse @ Uncensored

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Well right now I am just trying to make it work. I have an 8 gig which I bought on impulse at Best Buy for $28. They had a 4 gig for $17. I tend to move a lot of audio files around... My first attempt was to install ubuntu live. Using the nifty tool I mentioned earlier, it was a piece of cake.. just select the distro I want, and wait a little while.. and it does the rest.
Ubuntu booted fairly quickly considering its size and the fact that my laptop only has usb 1.1... But there is no persistent storage setup by default, I thought it was going to have that. I will have to try to figure it out.
My first inclination was to use puppylinux which is much smaller and specifically makes it clear that it offers persistent storage on a usb drive without any messing around. But it is not a lamp distro and I am worried it will take too long to get all my tools installed.. I just need to get this done.. not start compiling perl and apache etc. I had hoped to find something that would just work. But I am going to have to look around a bit more and see what is the best path.

[#] Fri Apr 24 2009 20:51:50 EDT from dothebart @ Uncensored

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my eee has 4G and I just run a generic debian on it. mustn't be wasting place for unneded stuff, but its ok.

[#] Fri Apr 24 2009 21:39:03 EDT from Peter Pulse @ Uncensored

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I decided to just use xampp...

[#] Sat Apr 25 2009 09:39:28 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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Pulse: it took a couple of reads to understand what you're trying to do ... basically you just want to run Linux on the laptop without disturbing an existing Windows environment? You don't need to run them both at the same time?

Running them both at the same time might actually be easier ... find something like Puppy Linux that can run using the colinux kernel, and then just set aside some space on your NTFS partition to be a Linux disk. When you're done with the project, just delete the files and *poof* ... all gone.

[#] Wed Apr 29 2009 10:32:51 EDT from Peter Pulse @ Uncensored

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I had initially passed over puppy because it didn't seem to include a web server and I didn't want to go to the trouble of trying to get one on there in a limited environment (time for this project is very limited.. it has to be working (the whole application, not just the linux) by Saturday. So I didn't want to screw around. But I decided that I would simplify things by writing a simple text based command line thing rather than a web application.
Keep it old school. So right now I am playing with the puppy. I found a 1F 1 gig usb drive so I've formatted that ext2 and installed on that, and we'll see how it goes. I beleive that if I were to install on the existing ntfs, I would be stuck with pup_save, so no persistence until shutdown, not exactly ideal. I think this setup will work out. I didn't want to mess with colinux, because this machine is decent but somewhat limited by current standards (T30 thinkpad, 2 GHz P4, 768M).. and I don't really need a vm for this.

[#] Wed Apr 29 2009 23:48:53 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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I've been running Ubu 9.04 on my laptop for a couple of days. Here are some random thoughts, in no particular order:

* The font rendering is gorgeous. It was pretty good before, but it's very very good now.

* The performance boost is noticeable. It's supposed to have a smaller memory footprint too but I forgot to baseline my system before I upgraded.

* The only think I'm not happy with so far is the way Rakarrack runs on it.
I notice breaks in the sound every now and then. Granted, there are probably very few developers who play their guitars through a Linux box. I need to fiddle with the nice values or something, perhaps that'll fix it.

[#] Thu Apr 30 2009 00:07:47 EDT from Peter Pulse @ Uncensored

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I've been checking out netbooks. I just got to see the MSI Wind today, it's pretty nice. The screen is pretty good and the keyboard is very good. So far, the MSI and the Asus are the best I've seen.

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