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[#] Thu Mar 12 2009 14:39:34 EDT from rod @ Uncensored

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What's this SCO/linux thing that was/is going on? I can't seem to make heads or tails out of it at groklaw. Is/was SCO trying to sue everyone in the world at once? Why did they sue autozone?

[#] Thu Mar 12 2009 14:55:13 EDT from fleeb @ Uncensored

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Oh, man...

SCO did try to sue an awful lot of people over, essentially, nothing. They claimed ownership of Unix or somesuch nonsense, and sued (in particular) Novell over copyright infringements or somesuch nonsense. In the end, it blew up in their face. It was shown that IBM actually owned the property in question, so IBM decided to sue them (ostensibly because SCO was being an asshole).

Since then, it's just been a bunch of bullshit with them.

I forgot why they went after Autozone. Probably because they were using some Unix-related technology they felt they owned, or because they were using Linux systems for something and decided to turn them into an object lesson (one that blew up in their face).

SCO cannot die soon enough.

[#] Thu Mar 12 2009 15:29:29 EDT from rod @ Uncensored

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My god, man! I must delete linux at once!!

[#] Thu Mar 12 2009 17:46:25 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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Their somewhat vacuous claim was, "we own unix copyrights, and linux copied a bunch of stuff verbatim from unix, so if you use Linux you owe us money."
They became quite a pariah in the industry. Not surprisingly, most observers came to the conclusion (based on investments and collaborations etc) that Microsoft funded and arranged the whole thing, using SCO as a proxy to attack Linux.

Basically if you can raise the license cost above $0, it's game over for open source. They haven't been able to do it yet.

[#] Fri Mar 13 2009 10:25:55 EDT from athos-mn @ Uncensored

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Although, while not necessairly important, it's interesting to note that the SCO that sued everyone is not the SCO (the Santa Cruz Operation) that crated OpenSystem and UnixWare. They were bought out by Caldera who was earlier (?) bought out by a firm that specializes in IP lawsuits.

[#] Fri Mar 13 2009 10:29:54 EDT from dothebart @ Uncensored

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hm, realy? i've missed caldera being bought...

from the core sco there is (was) tarantella left, who did some sort of export desktops via web-browsers...

[#] Fri Mar 13 2009 10:31:59 EDT from athos-mn @ Uncensored

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I thought they were bought before they grabbed SCO - but I could be wrong. I wanted to try Tarantella - seemed interesting, but a bit rough around the edges.

[#] Fri Mar 13 2009 10:37:03 EDT from dothebart @ Uncensored

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if you've ever seen a sco box, you know why ;-)

[#] Fri Mar 13 2009 10:48:10 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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athos is right. The original SCO Unix people sold out, spun off, and formed Tarantella, a company specializing in thin client products. Caldera came in and went IP-lawsuit happy. The parent company is called The Canopy Group, and Microsoft funneled the lawsuit money in through them.

[#] Sun Mar 15 2009 12:54:57 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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Right ... it took them a long time to merge "Open Server" (aka SCO Unix) with UnixWare.

[#] Wed Mar 18 2009 00:05:12 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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I mentioned this in another room:

Rakarrack is a guitar effects processor for Linux. I set this up on my laptop over the weekend and now I've got a universe of effects at my fingertips.
An ordinary computer with an ordinary sound card eliminates the need for thousands of dollars worth of effects boxes.

The sound quality is surprisingly good. My basic sound so far has been a combination of compression, chorus, and a little reverb, with EQ on both ends of the chain. I've also been experimenting with a harmonizer setup to emulate the sound of a 12-string, combined with compression and chorus for a "jangle" type of sound.

Anyone who plays guitar and is comfortable around a Linux machine should definitely try this out. Unfortunately there aren't any Ubuntu packages available so you have to build it from source. If anyone has trouble doing this, post your problems here and we'll compare notes.

[#] Wed Mar 18 2009 11:26:09 EDT from Ford II @ Uncensored

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But you lose the fun of stomping on the pedals.

[#] Wed Mar 18 2009 11:45:50 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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True ... and furthermore, you lose some coolness factor from plugging your guitar into a laptop computer instead of a cool looking rack of equipment.

If I end up playing more, I can foresee doing two things:

1. Building a dedicated Rakarrack "appliance" in a ruggedized case with a touchscreen, no keyboard, and a solid state disk

2. Adding a MIDI pedal and setting it up for hands-free preset toggle

Of course, right now if I manage to actually scrape any money together for this purpose, the first thing I need to spend it on is some needed repairs for the guitar itself. It needs a setup, and it's also in need of a new switch ... but while that's being done I might as well do the pickup replacement I've been wanting.

I also might consider blocking the tremolo because I *never* use the whammy bar, and I'd rather have an instrument that's easy to keep in tune. But now we're venturing outside of Linux territory, aren't we :)

[#] Wed Mar 18 2009 12:39:31 EDT from Peter Pulse @ Uncensored

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Come on mammy, throw me that whammy!

[#] Thu Mar 19 2009 23:20:37 EDT from Ford II @ Uncensored

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I never use my whammy bar either, I don't even know where it's got off to.
But It's interesting to try and tune the guitar like that, because you have to plan ahead for how tuning the other strings are going to affect this one, and I figure if you learn to get it right, you have a better innate understanding of what's going on on your guitar and how it works.
Maybe that's silly, but I find it fun to try and get right.

[#] Fri Mar 20 2009 08:23:32 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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I don't want to have a more innate understanding; I just want it to stay in tune! It's embarassing to be playing with a group of musicians and to keep hearing "you're out of tune again."

[#] Fri Mar 20 2009 09:56:13 EDT from Ragnar Danneskjold @ Uncensored

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If you're seriously interested in keeping a guitar in tune you need the Buzz Feiten tuning system. And no, this isn't a joke. It's really amazing.

[#] Fri Mar 20 2009 16:33:06 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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I think I'd be happy just to have a non-floating tremolo for now. As an added bonus I would be able to unlock the nut. I hate having to use the fine tuning knobs.

[#] Sat Mar 21 2009 11:56:59 EDT from dowdle @ Uncensored

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Greetings from the Bozeman, Montana area.

I've been a Linux user since January of 1995 when my wife told me it was time to get a new computer... because all of the games she wanted to play weren't made for my Atari ST... and she wanted MS-DOS.  We ended up getting a Packard Bell PC from Sears that had a super speedy Intel 486 CPU and one of those amazing 1x speed CD-ROM drives in it.  At that time CD-ROMs were pretty new... at least new to us... and it even came with an encyclopedia program.  Wow, a CD could hold 650-ish MB of data.  I don't exactly recall how big hard drives were at the time but they were still in the MB size.  I think a 100MB hard drive was considered sizable at the time.  Of course it came with DOS and Microsoft Windows 3.11 for Workgroups... which I didn't want to use.

As luck would have it we (my wife, my 3 year old son and I) visited the Seattle area at the tail end of 1994 and into January of 1995.  My son was born with kidney failure and Children's Hospital in Seattle was (and still is) the main children's kidney center for the Northwest.  Looking for something to do I found out that the University of Washington (You Dub) was having their annual computer faire thingie... so I went there and found my first InfoMagic Linux CD collection.  I really didn't know what Linux was but I had heard of Unix... that it was responsible for most of the Internet... and that Linux was a flavor of Unix that would run on PCs / microcomputers.  Maybe this would let me do something with my wife's computer rather than just run MS-DOS and Windows 3.11.

I ran some program included on the CD (after defragging a few times to move all of the freespace to the back side of the hard drive) to split it in two... making room for Linux.  I installed Slackware for the first time... and was amazed it worked.  Wow, it coudl even multitask and it had 6 consoles I could login at a time.

Luckily it recognized my external modem and I could still access the BBSes in my town with minicom.  I don't recall how much RAM the computer had (4MB?) but the X Window System either didn't work or was too slow to be useful.  As a result I ran in text-based mode for the first year I used Linux.  It was quite a change from the Atari ST and it's graphical environment GEM that I had been running since 1985 (I bought it the month it came out) but it was rock solid and came with a lot of software... even some server applications.

The rest, as they say, is history... as I have been using Linux ever since.  I became a Red Hat fanboy shortly after the release of version 3... then 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, and then Fedora.  I'm on Fedora 10 these days... and run Red Hat Enterprise Linux at work... as well as CentOS in OpenVZ containers.  I tried a slew of other distros in the last 14 years but I've always found myself coming back to Red Hat.  I know that Ubuntu is very popular but Red Hat is the beacon for Open Source companies with regards to success, contributing to upstream and giving back to the community, and setting very high ethical standards and sticking to them... being a good member in the FOSS community.

I would be remiss if I didn't give a brief history of my use of BBSes.  I got my first computer in the summer of 1982.  I had graduated high school that Spring and my high school did not have computers.  I believe they got them the year after I graduated.  Anyway, I bought a Timex Sinclair 1000 from K-mart for about $100.  It came with 4K of RAM and I spent another $100 to upgrade it to 16K.  Some of the folks I worked with at McDonald's had Atari 8-bit computers and they were using modems to access electronic Bulletin Board Systems.  At the time I couldn't find a modem for the TS1000 so I forked over the cash for an Atari 600XL.  I got involved with my local (I grew up in Memphis, TN only making it to Montana when the USAF sent me there in 1985) Atari Users group.  I got a modem and accessed many of my local BBSes.  I was hooked.

I started off with 300 baud and stayed there for several years. 1200 baud modems were quite expensive for the first few years they were out.  Then in 1985 Atari released the Atari ST... and the ST part stood for Sixteen Thirty-two... because it used the Motorola 68000 CPU (same as the Apple Macintosh).  I ran that until Linux came along... but for the 10 years I was using it... I ran a BBS in a few of the communities I lived in.  I participated in many other BBSes.  The MichTron BBS software was amazing because it allowed me to connect to the BBS while I had a caller on and I could even chat with them.  If I had had the money for a third phone line and a serial port multiplexer I could have even had multiple callers but I couldn't afford that.  Then I learned about the FoReM BBS software and it had a system very similiar to Fidonet but for Atari FoReM systems.  I ran that for a year or two, became a node, and became part of a networked BBS system for the first time... sharing message bases.  It was amazing technology for the time.

I was very active in the message boards... politics, local talk about my community, Atari stuff, etc.  I used one of those package makers... which I can't remember the name of right now... but you would use a feature of the BBS where it would scan the message boards that you were subscribed to that had new messages, gather them all up and ZIP them up.  Then you would download the zip file and load it into the package reader where you could read and compose all of your replies offline.  That saved a lot of time and freed up the phone line too.  What an advance.

Then the Internet came along and one by one the local BBSes started dying.  It felt like the local community was being ripped apart and replaced with this giant, semi-anonymous entity where you were just as likely to be communicating with someone on another continent as you were someone in your own state... much less your own community.  The Internet advanced and of course everyone became semi-addicted... and that too is history.

If you haven't seen it yet, check out the BBS Documentary.  I was one of the pre-order folks who bought it on DVD... but you can find most of it online under a creative commons license if you are interested.


Scott Dowdle

[#] Sat Mar 21 2009 12:31:56 EDT from dowdle @ Uncensored

Subject: Linuxfest Northwest 2009 - April 25-26 - Bellingham Washington

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I don't know if there are any folks that participate in this Linux room that live in the Northwest part of the United States... but if there are any... I want to highly recommend the Linuxfest Northwest show.  This year is their 10th anniversary.  I have attended the last two shows (2007 and 2008) and will be attending this year as well.

So far, four of us are set to go from the Montana area Linux Users Groups which is a considerable drive.  Two of us are giving presentations.  I'm doing one entitled "OpenVZ Project Update" and Andrew Niemantsverdriet from the BillingsLUG is giving a presentation on the "Proxmox Virtual Environment".  We are kinda into virtualization if you couldn't tell.

If you can make it to the show, great.  If not... feel free to ask questions about OpenVZ, Proxmox VE or any other virtualization product for Linux.


Scott Dowdle
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Belgrade, MT 59714
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