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[#] Wed Apr 08 2009 08:20:23 EDT from ChuckE @ Haven BBS

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Back in the first half of the '90s, before the Internet took over, I ran a DOS-based Citadel variant modified by Jason Massey, which he called "Zinfandel."  I'm not sure he changed much, other than prettying-up message headers, and a few other cosmetic changes.  It worked well for me at the time, though.

 

In the second half of the '90s, I ran a JetBBS system with Citadel as a door, for anyone who missed the feel of my previous BBS's.  Unfortunately, by that time, not too many people did.  :)

 

I stopped running BBS's in April 2000, when a power supply problem took my system out for several days before I could fix it.  It was time to let it go anyway... I had more Y2K problems with door games on my BBS than I ever had with anything at work!

 

Running a BBS was fun, but I'm now more than happy to leave it to the experts.



[#] Wed Apr 08 2009 09:28:12 EDT from BOFHMike @ My Castle Wall

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First a Networked room request...  (yeah, I could jump on Dogpound2 and look for myself but..)

  Freakdog, do you have: raising kids and lavender lounge networked?  Any chance of getting them here?

 

2nd, I recall a similar squable  between Vince and Hue, Jr. over re-codeing/claiming ownership of the code used in Citadel:K2NE. Vince basically added ANSI color and added multi-user access to Citadel-86.  I had it setup for a short time as a test, but had a few message base curruptions w/ multi-user access.  The biggest issues came from Vinces "Citnet" (or was it CNET) rights/ownership.  If any other sysop not running K2NE dared use his terminology when refering to the grater citadel networking, he would scream infringment....  Got old rather quickly.  I went to /ux shortly there-after.



[#] Wed Apr 08 2009 10:25:03 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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The two of them really never got along at all. Thankfully most of us around here missed that whole thing. I only heard about it years later when I used the word "CitaNet" in a discussion about Citadel networking in general, and Vince sprung into the discussion, asserting that it was his trademark.

I don't see it listed with the USPTO, and Cit:K2NE is long gone anyway, so I think it's safe to say now. :)

[#] Wed Apr 08 2009 11:48:21 EDT from BOFHMike @ My Castle Wall

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Heh... I wonder how long it will take for him to find us. or do we have to say it three times?  CitNet, CitNet CitNet ....

 H01Y $h1T - http://www.k2nesoft.com/k2nesoft.html  - he's still out there... mind you, his perl "citadel bbs" is busted.

 

 

Wed Apr 08 2009 10:25:03 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar@uncnsrd (Uncensored)

The two of them really never got along at all. Thankfully most of us around here missed that whole thing. I only heard about it years later when I used the word "CitaNet" in a discussion about Citadel networking in general, and Vince sprung into the discussion, asserting that it was his trademark.

I don't see it listed with the USPTO, and Cit:K2NE is long gone anyway, so I think it's safe to say now. :)


[#] Wed Apr 08 2009 12:11:06 EDT from Peter Pulse @ Uncensored

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Trademarks are fleeting.. if you don't use them, they're gone. I don't know how registration affects this though. But when Jaime was working for the baby food company, someone tried to get them to stop using their tagline "Think Outside the Jar". It was a woman in NJ who had launched a line of pasta sauce sealed in a bag. They researched it and found that the claim had no standing because the sauce had not done well and was not currently being sold.. and had not been for some amount of time.. I think three years.

[#] Wed Apr 08 2009 12:33:07 EDT from fleeb @ Uncensored

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Wow... K2NE web page.

I guess if you can't let go...

[#] Wed Apr 08 2009 12:38:23 EDT from fleeb @ Uncensored

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Ah, there's this:

http://www.k2nesoft.com/sanctuary.html

His link forwarding perl sucks, but if you examine the source, it shows that URL.

That takes you to a page describing Citadel (sorta). If you click on the Use the BBS link, it attempts to use 'rlogin' to log into a citadel (presumably).
I haven't gone beyond that yet.

[#] Wed Apr 08 2009 12:39:14 EDT from fleeb @ Uncensored

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That's rlogin://linux.k2nesoft.com:bbs/ if you're wondering.

[#] Wed Apr 08 2009 12:57:24 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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It's long gone. Since the whole NetK2NE site looks like it hasn't been touched since the late 1990's, I wonder whether his ISP even exists anymore.

[#] Wed Apr 08 2009 14:43:33 EDT from fleeb @ Uncensored

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Yeah, I just tried to rlogin to that, but had no luck. It's dead.

[#] Wed Apr 08 2009 19:22:00 EDT from dothebart @ Uncensored

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*lol*
its even totaly broken.
and... yes, that page looks realy ugly 90'ies like.
http://www.k2nesoft.com/cgi-bin/red


#!/usr/bin/perl

use CGI;

$query = new CGI;

#$url = $query->param('Location');
#print $query->redirect($url);

print "Content-type: text/html\n\n";
print "<HTML>\n";
print "<HEAD>\n";
print "<TITLE>Thank You!</TITLE>\n";
print "</HEAD>\n";
print "<BODY BGCOLOR=#FFFFCC TEXT=#000000>\n";
print "<H1>Thank You!</H1>\n";
print "\n";
print "<P>\n";
print "<H3>Your feedback is appreciated.<BR>\n";
print "<P>\n";
print "</BODY>\n";
print "</HTML>\n";

exit(0);


[#] Wed Apr 08 2009 22:15:28 EDT from Freakdog @ Dog Pound BBS II

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I knew the history...but didn't think I wanted to have to retype it. Sorry if it came across badly when I said "claim".

I think that you're partly right, with regard to the guilt by association, and I also think that more people than you'd realize were aware of the squabble, and formed opinions of you based on it.

[#] Wed Apr 08 2009 22:19:27 EDT from Freakdog @ Dog Pound BBS II

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BOFHMike:

On the rooms...let me look and let you know.

The squabble between Vince and Hue, Jr.: There was no multi-user access in Citadel:K2NE...he was trying to work multi-user access in, but never got it working.

The networking thing was over the word "Citanet" which Vince said he trademarked.
I never did understand the whole point behind that issue...my understanding was that there was a rewrite of the networker code, somehow, but as I wasn't a coder, I never got into it to see what the deal was.

[#] Wed Apr 08 2009 22:22:06 EDT from Freakdog @ Dog Pound BBS II

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I don't see it listed with the USPTO, and Cit:K2NE is long gone
anyway, so I think it's safe to say now. :)

I'm not sure a USPTO listing makes much difference, if/when one can demonstrate first use (as I did when running compucomis.net...CompuCom tried coming after me for my use of "CompuCom Information Services", but since they did not provide internet service, and I was, I had first use rights for the services in question.
When I hinted at that, to their trademark attorneys, I never heard from them again) of the mark for a particular purpose.

But I digress.

[#] Wed Apr 08 2009 22:23:25 EDT from Freakdog @ Dog Pound BBS II

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Heh... I wonder how long it will take for him to find us. or do we have
to
say it three times? CitNet, CitNet CitNet ....

H01Y $h1T - http://www.k2nesoft.com/k2nesoft.html - he's still out there...

mind you, his perl "citadel bbs" is busted.

I think you're mixing your metaphors.

Quartz is running the per citadel. Vince's code was a fork of Citadel-86...and when he was running a Cit/UX, it was one of the v3 forks.

[#] Thu Apr 09 2009 09:38:09 EDT from fleeb @ Uncensored

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I still preferred the 68k version.

But then, I was running an Amiga in those days.

[#] Thu Apr 09 2009 10:11:30 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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Freakdog: well in that case they got what they deserved.

[#] Thu Apr 09 2009 10:47:43 EDT from BOFHMike @ My Castle Wall

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The link on his website pointed to "Citadel bbs"  I was not refering to the flavor he stole from.  .. And to aoid another quoteed box...  He *did* have multi user kinda working.  I was able to setup a multi-user K2NE box, it just never worked right. message base wasn't locked, more of a challange to see who would grab a message pointer and write the file first.. all others be damned.. heh...  I dont recall him ever giving anyone his working multi-user code. (and then again, Sanctuary didn't have much traffic, so having two people on at the same time may not have happened very often.    

  Memories..  spring 1995 ... I had an 8088 and an 8086 networked via LantasticZ (p2p - Parallel 2 Parallel ;) one running pegasis mail and waffle (for UUCP.. I had a mail gateway on UofM's unix system)  the other box running citadel:k2ne.  Two phone lines (one metered, the other full service - remember metered pohone service?  10 cents per outbound call, $10/mo dial tone) I even took the time to bang out some C++ to gateway e-mail via UUCP into Citadel-86 and out..  managed to setup networking with a few remote systems that way to avoid LD charges.   I think I was networked w/ Gateway via e-mail before he shut down.

Wed Apr 08 2009 22:23:25 EDT from Freakdog@dogpound2 (Dog Pound BBS II)

I think you're mixing your metaphors.

Quartz is running the per citadel. Vince's code was a fork of Citadel-86...and when he was running a Cit/UX, it was one of the v3 forks.

 



[#] Thu Apr 09 2009 12:08:54 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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All the nostalgia really makes one seriously reconsider whether it was a good thing that the online scene went mainstream.

[#] Thu Apr 09 2009 17:53:03 EDT from fleeb @ Uncensored

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I've often wondered if it might be nice to have something requiring a certain technical know-how to make use of it, just to establish That Kind Of Community again.

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