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[#] Mon Sep 01 2008 08:19:36 EDT from Freakdog @ Dog Pound BBS II

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Sun Aug 31 2008 09:16:45 PM EDT from IGnatius T Foobar@uncnsrd (Uncensored)

Archive it and shut it down.

My thought, exactly.

The system's still running, but other than myself, nobody logs in.

Still running 6.72, I belive.



[#] Wed Sep 24 2008 01:04:21 EDT from idget @ God-Empresses Domain

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I'm still here, actually thinking of updating the system and getting back into things...


[#] Wed Sep 24 2008 06:07:23 EDT from Freakdog @ Dog Pound BBS II

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Egads!!! You do live.

:-D

[#] Thu Feb 05 2009 14:49:45 EST from triLcat @ Uncensored

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complaints about the new webcit:

1. I preferred having the navigations (goto/ungoto) at the bottom of the page as well, and liked the scrolling in between those two.

2. I liked that it used to tell me how many messages there were along with the box that allows me to select which numbers I want to read. EG: (21-40) of 42 messages

Thanks.



[#] Thu Feb 05 2009 16:08:44 EST from Freakdog @ Dog Pound BBS II

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I don't recall ever seeing the navigation links at the bottom.

I'm logged in, now (unless there's an experimental Webcit that I'm not using),and see the drop downs for message numbers.

[#] Thu Feb 05 2009 17:23:14 EST from dothebart @ Uncensored

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Do Feb 05 2009 08:49:45 CET von triLcat <>

complaints about the new webcit:

1. I preferred having the navigations (goto/ungoto) at the bottom of the page as well, and liked the scrolling in between those two.

2. I liked that it used to tell me how many messages there were along with the box that allows me to select which numbers I want to read. EG: (21-40) of 42 messages

Thanks.



great. how could I miss that. point 2 fixed.

I'm not all shure what you want to say with point 1...

Are you talking about the blue top banner scrolling away with the rest? The gotos weren't there in the old version... would you like to have that line down under too?



[#] Thu Feb 05 2009 23:49:30 EST from Harbard @ Uncensored

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I agree with Tril.  The blue command line scrolls away, so when I get to the bottom of the messages I have to scroll back up to hit the goto button.



[#] Fri Feb 06 2009 10:06:27 EST from flynnfx @ Uncensored

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Same here - you have 5-6 messages to read, then you have to scroll up to go to the next room.

 



[#] Fri Feb 06 2009 12:03:15 EST from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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Hmm, what if we just moved those controls into the navigation section of the banner?

[#] Fri Feb 06 2009 12:24:13 EST from Freakdog @ Dog Pound BBS II

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Fri Feb 06 2009 12:03:15 PM EST from IGnatius T Foobar@uncnsrd (Uncensored)

Hmm, what if we just moved those controls into the navigation section of the banner?
On my currently released version of WebCit, the navigation controls are already part of the banner...did some sort of request prompt the change that is seen on UCG?

[#] Fri Feb 06 2009 12:49:24 EST from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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Never mind, I see that the banner does scroll when using the Bulletin Board view, so it doesn't really matter.

[#] Sat Apr 04 2009 10:27:16 EDT from Freakdog @ Dog Pound BBS II

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IG (or whomever manages the DNS zones, now)...please remove "Pixel" from the citadel.org domain. I have it from Patriot's wife that the box on which Pixel ran died, and he's not bothering to put the BBS back up.

I believe you can remove "Prism" as well.

[#] Sat Apr 04 2009 13:54:18 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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Are there enough refugees to warrant a managed exodus?

[#] Sun Apr 05 2009 17:26:21 EDT from Freakdog @ Dog Pound BBS II

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Not really...there were hardly any users, and the few that were on that BBS are also on mine.

Pixel wasn't a hub, either, so it doesn't leave any network nodes stranded.

[#] Mon Apr 06 2009 09:47:18 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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Sad to hear about Pixel, but what I'm really surpised about is ... I decided to visit Quartz (or "Quartz III" as it's known now) and it's a barren wasteland.

Most of the rooms over there haven't seen a post in 2-3 years.

So the question is: what killed Quartz? Was it the lack of a web interface?
Or was it their habit of being unfriendly to outsiders?

More importantly, what are *we* doing *right* and how can we enhance that?

[#] Mon Apr 06 2009 21:44:42 EDT from Freakdog @ Dog Pound BBS II

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A few things have led to Quartz's apparent demise:

A number of self-important, hypocritcal windbags seemed to have driven a lot of folks away...then, when they weren't having any more fun being self-important windbags on a nearly empty BBS, they left, too.

[#] Mon Apr 06 2009 22:23:33 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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While it's no secret that I've never really gotten along too well with the Quartzers (for reasons still unknown to me), I'm still saddened by its demise.
Quartz was an institution. An institution made possible solely by the fact that Dave had access to a solid Internet connection and the already-existing Citadel/UX code way back in 1992, but an institution nevertheless.

As for the windbags ... I suppose this example lends credibility to the approach we've taken many times over the years -- the idea that you can't just let disruptive people run unchecked, despite the accusations of "censorship!!" that inevitably come whenever you confront them.

[#] Tue Apr 07 2009 13:45:42 EDT from Freakdog @ Dog Pound BBS II

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I guess it all goes back to your claim on the Citael/UX 3.x code, which wasn't fully or freely open source at the time, or whatever the beef was that you had with those that took the code, forked it, distributed it again, forked it again,, etc.

Of course, The current Quartz incarnation is, by all reports, completely rewritten in Perl with an SQL based back end (MySQL, PostGRES...I know not which), but I think the bulk of it was the self important assbags.

Enough people got tired of dealing with those assbags, and decided to get "real lives" which didn't have to revolve, as much, around an online community.  People got too caught up in the drama and BS that happened on Quartz, Prism, ISCA, and some of the other "older" Internet BBS systems.

Maybe that's why my BBS has never had quite the active following that some others have had...I just don't subscribe to all of that BS, and refuse to let myself get all caught up in it.



[#] Tue Apr 07 2009 23:58:30 EDT from wizard of aahz @ Uncensored

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As a laugh. I ran into someone who was trying to submit patches to ISCA recently.


[#] Wed Apr 08 2009 00:22:55 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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My "claim" on the Citadel 3.X code was that I wrote 100% of it and had the right to license it any way I wanted to. At the time, it carried a license that didn't allow redistribution of modified code; I did that because I thought it would prevent forks, hoping that collaboration would ensue when people submitted patches back in.

Dave simply deleted the file containing the license and passed around his version of the code. I'd have filed a license/copyright lawsuit if I had been able to afford it. Was the license a good idea? In retrospect, of course not. Was it legally binding? Absolutely.

Ironically, there have been far fewer forks under the GPL than under the old license that didn't allow forks.

In any case it's a shame that Quartz (and ISCA, for that matter) went down that road. If we'd all stayed on a single code base, they'd be able to participate in some of the cool ideas I've got for adding social networking features to the Citadel system.
It could have put them back on the map.

That little squabble only involved a few people, though; most didn't know or care. I think the real reason many of the Quartzers didn't like me was because I am a friend of Ygorl -- guilt by association.

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