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[#] Mon Dec 06 2004 21:19:39 EST from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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If what you're talking about is the "trusted computing dystopia" that some have envisioned, then I agree, it's definitely a Bad Thing.

I don't see the two being that closely related, though. The article says that PC's aren't going to go away completely -- just like mainframes didn't go away when we exited their golden age. They'll still be available for power users, developers, Ford II, and people who want to use them as small servers.

IT organizations will maintain their own server farms (hopefully with the help of a Quality-Zoom Hosting Center). Geeks will maintain their own servers at home. Your mom, on the other hand, might be happy to have all of her data living at AOL or Yahoo, secured and backed up by professionals.

There's a fine line between tethers and manacles, but it's a line that can be safely walked as long as we have open standards to keep everyone honest.

[#] Mon Dec 06 2004 21:31:39 EST from wizard of aahz @ Uncensored

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oOOOoo. I like tethers and manacles...

[#] Mon Dec 06 2004 22:04:02 EST from arabella @ Uncensored

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We knew that, saying it is redundant

[#] Tue Dec 07 2004 06:52:00 EST from IO ERROR @ Iowa City

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<invokes Rule #1>

[#] Tue Dec 07 2004 22:58:43 EST from Nite*Star @ Uncensored

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IBM sold its PC division to China's Lenovo.

[#] Tue Dec 07 2004 22:58:49 EST from Nite*Star @ Uncensored

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[#] Wed Dec 08 2004 08:22:03 EST from Chickenhead @ Uncensored

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Oh hooray. That's the last Thinkpad I ever buy.

Next laptop I get will be an iBook.

(*grumbles loudly about China and Quality*)

[#] Wed Dec 08 2004 11:01:13 EST from roue @ Dog Pound BBS II

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I've got a 3+ year old thinkpad that I love, but it's getting a little long in the tooth. I'm really tempted to buy one of the last IBM made ones and have it keep me going till it's clear whether lenovo will maintain the thinkpad's current quality. Not sure I can justify the $1300 price tag at the moment though.

[#] Wed Dec 08 2004 10:35:49 EST from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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Quality will go down, but it'll still be better than Dell, and maybe Lenovo will offer them without the Microsoft tax.

[#] Wed Dec 08 2004 10:40:48 EST from Chickenhead @ Uncensored

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My next laptop will be an iBook, hands down. Any laptop I've ever had
is used mainly as a remote terminal of sorts anyways...and I always install
Linux on it. I'm personally sick of messing with Linux on PC laptops...there
are always glitches and problems and in general, Linux on the laptop is more
trouble than it needs to be. So why not just skip the middleman and get
a laptop MADE for UNIX? (ie an iBook)?

[#] Wed Dec 08 2004 11:24:36 EST from roue @ Dog Pound BBS II

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I'm running linux (debian) on my current thinkpad (A22e) and everything works. Even the crappy winmodem. I have an iBook as well, but if you're going to buy one of those you're going to run OS X. I'm not ready to give up linux as my main desktop. I know I could do everything on the iBook that I do with the thinkpad, but I don't completely trust apple not to muck with my configs during software update and I'm really comfortable with a custom setup that I've developed over *years*. Blarg. I'm going to see if I can scrape together the cash...

[#] Wed Dec 08 2004 12:06:59 EST from Nite*Star @ Uncensored

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There's an interesting article from theregister about IBM getting rid of its PC business in order to concentrate on its chip-making business (PowerPC) and how the sale of its PC-making business to a Chinese company could signal IBM gearing up to make PowerPC the de-facto standard for Linux computers, especially since China is looking to carve a computer market for itself free from Microsoft and, given Intel's strong ties to M$, PowerPC might be just the platform on which to accomplish such a feat using Linux. http://tinyurl.com/6s59u

[#] Wed Dec 08 2004 13:41:56 EST from Chickenhead @ Uncensored

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[#] Wed Dec 08 2004 13:43:37 EST from Chickenhead @ Uncensored

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Boy...IBM pushing PPC, maybe with Apple? That would be all-out war.
Microsoft would be surrounded...IBM, Apple, Linux. My god, could the
computer industry get interesting again? I'd love to see all those
Microsoft-uber-alles suits get shaken up.

And that "OS Wars" poster would need to be updated, again. :)

[#] Wed Dec 08 2004 14:11:06 EST from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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There's a lot of talk about this right now. Some are speculating that what IBM is really looking to pursue, is a shift to network computing, where the client devices are diskless POWER machines running Linux, tethered to bigger POWER machines running Linux in the data center.

Anything that makes Microsoft go away is ok by me.

[#] Wed Dec 08 2004 14:27:01 EST from LoanShark @ Uncensored

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Java on Power-Linux is historically a non-starter. You need to use an IBM OS to get close to reasonable support, and even then, Sun-supported platforms can be more timely.

[#] Wed Dec 08 2004 14:36:45 EST from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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Network Computing does not necessarily equal Java. That particular vision is what made the concept a non-starter in the 1990's.

Network Computing is any environment where the desktop (or handheld) devices do not require any local configuration/installation -- any environment where you can replace a device and have the user log right back on without having to "install" it first.

The old Ellison/McNealy Java-everywhere thing was only one form of network computing. However, LTSP is also network computing. "WinTerms" are network computing. Your cell phone is network computing. See where this is going?

[#] Wed Dec 08 2004 15:02:02 EST from LoanShark @ Uncensored

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Network Computing does not necessarily equal Java. That particular

Wasn't implying it did. But Java is big these days on the server side.

[#] Wed Dec 08 2004 15:55:40 EST from Chickenhead @ Uncensored

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Dec 8 2004 2:11pm from IGnatius T Foobar @uncnsrd
There's a lot of talk about this right now. Some are speculating that
what IBM is really looking to pursue, is a shift to network computing,
where the client devices are diskless POWER machines running Linux,
tethered to bigger POWER machines running Linux in the data center.

Anything that makes Microsoft go away is ok by me.


Somehow I think that certain factions within IBM have NOT forgotten what
Microsoft pulled with OS/2. And they haven't forgotten that it was
the PC Co. that REFUSED to install OS/2 on IBM machines. The PC Co.
deserves a lot of the blame for OS/2's failure.

I would love to see some real competition again, and some real new
computer designs come out.

[#] Mon Dec 13 2004 18:25:04 EST from Ford II @ Uncensored

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Their take on this is that IBM knows that the "Post-PC era" is upon
us, and the desktop computer is rapidly becoming irrelevant -- or at
least irrelevant enough that an ordinary PC is an "unsellable product"


all it means is that ibm isn't making enough profit on it to make it worth their while.
there's enough dells and gateways that people are happy enough with (having voted walletly) that it's no longer economically viable. So they quit. pure business.

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