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[#] Thu Feb 27 2014 11:03:03 EST from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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If they are just "paying for CDN" that's one thing, but what we really need to know is whether Comcast is deliberately deprioritizing Netflix traffic in order to make that necessary. I don't like where this is going; other last-mile carriers are already making noises of "oh yeah, gimme some o' dat money"

[#] Thu Feb 27 2014 12:25:13 EST from LoanShark @ Uncensored

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Is the SLA dead?

Can you get SLA'd service in NYC without paying exorbitantly for T1 or "direct Ethernet" connectivity?

Does it even matter if you can just buy redundant connectivity from TW(cable) and VZ(DSL)?

If it doesn't matter, then why does TW's contempt for customer service leave such a bad taste in the mouth?

[#] Thu Feb 27 2014 12:41:08 EST from LoanShark @ Uncensored

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Oh yeah. Because even when VZ works, you'd be better off with Snail Mail.

[#] Thu Feb 27 2014 13:24:05 EST from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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Nobody does SLA's for residential customers. Those agreements are totally one-sided, offering "speeds of up to..." type language that commits them to nothing.

SLA's are alive and well but they are strictly the domain of commercial grade networks. So yeah, if I find that Level 3 is penalizing Netflix on my 10 Gbps pipe, I can go postal on them, but if I get lousy Netflix performance on my 50 Mbps FiOS connection, I'm more likely to get Lily Tomlin telling me they don't care.

Fortunately I don't have Netflix. But it's only a matter of time before the douchebags who run last-mile carriers turn their greed machine sights onto YouTube.

[#] Thu Feb 27 2014 13:48:16 EST from LoanShark @ Uncensored

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I'm talking about the connectivity for your typical cubicle farm. "Commercial grade network" is a slippery concept these days. "Business class" service frequently comes with no SLA, if it's cable/DSL class - unless you push for one.

Fucking lame, is what it is.

[#] Thu Feb 27 2014 17:35:19 EST from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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The "business class" versions of residential service doesn't usually have SLA. The only thing you really get over and above residential service (aside from a higher price, of course) is -- sometimes -- a static IP address.

[#] Thu Feb 27 2014 17:36:50 EST from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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Wow, I just looked on the business FiOS site ... they want an extra $40/month for a static IP address.

[#] Thu Feb 27 2014 18:13:33 EST from LoanShark @ Uncensored

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Yeah, and FiOS is the replacement for T1! Without the SLA. Lame.

[#] Fri Feb 28 2014 07:41:12 EST from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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In the bigger picture, metro ethernet is the replacement for T1. For a while, the telcos were just slapping TDM-to-Ethernet adapters onto their existing SONET infrastructure, but now many of them seem to be doing end-to-end packet switch. And you can get it with an SLA. The problem is that you have to be in a lit building to get it; they won't do Ethernet last-mile from the nearest lit location to a non-lit customer prem.

If you're in a metropolis like NYC, chances are *someone* has either lit your building or deliberately deployed a metro ethernet infrastructure into it. Good luck anywhere else though. Your best bet is to order an OC3 so they have to run fiber :)

The PON technology that runs FiOS is *capable* of QoS but they're not using it for anything other than reserving enough bandwidth for voice. To be honest, I'm still absolutely thrilled with my FiOS service; it's blazingly fast *all* the time and I've had close to zero downtime in the nearly five years I've had it. There is certainly no business class SLA attached to it, of course. But it's still several orders of magnitude more dependable than anything the cable company is capable of delivering.

[#] Fri Feb 28 2014 10:39:13 EST from zooer @ Uncensored

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It is odd, on my home account I have had the same IP address, it stayed the same through power failures
disconnecting the modem from both the cable and power. I had to upgrade my modem so I purchased one, at that
point my IP address changed, but I don't think it has changed since. I logged it at one time and a Dec 3, 2013
shows the same IP address as today.
It may not be static, but it hasn't changed.

[#] Fri Feb 28 2014 14:55:56 EST from vince-q @ Cascade Lodge BBS

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class SLA attached to it, of course. But it's still several orders of

magnitude more dependable than anything the cable company is capable of

delivering.


Two tin cans tightly connected with a string would be "several orders of magnitude more dependable than anything the cable company is capable of delivering."

[#] Sun Mar 02 2014 23:49:05 EST from ax25 @ Uncensored

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Goodbye Internet.  Hello Hinternet:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-speed_multimedia_radio

Not that it would get much data across quickly, but low data requirements would find a way.



[#] Tue Mar 04 2014 17:06:39 EST from zooer @ Uncensored

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Could replace those HughesNet satellite Internet connection you see on gas stations everywhere. If those are
still in use.

[#] Sat Mar 15 2014 23:01:33 EDT from Ladyhawke @ Uncensored

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What IG said.  From a provisioning standpoint, when I have a client that insists on FiOS, it's actually considered a Broadband equivalent, on the order of Cable or DSL - definitely not T1.  Believe it or not, we can even get an SLA for it - it's just not worth much once the calcs are done.  T1 and MPLS are still the way to go if you need decent quality of speed and dependability....if you can afford the cost, that is; the jump is huge.



[#] Sat Mar 15 2014 23:44:28 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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There is also the small matter of T1 or some other TDM or metro ethernet being a requirement if you want the connection to go to a Z-Loc rather than to "teh Internet"

Meanwhile, what I usually see cost conscious buyers do is simply get broadband service from two or more providers (one telco and one cablecrap) and use one as a backup for the other. After about half a dozen support requests to change a VPN peer address in a two week period, our ops guys figure out that they're on a dynamic IP and tell them we don't support that and they have to figure out a way to make it work automatically.

[#] Mon Mar 24 2014 14:24:02 EDT from LoanShark @ Uncensored

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them we don't support that and they have to figure out a way to make it

work automatically.

Heh.

It's cheap to get a static IP from VZN and TW. Their QOS still sucks, even with the static IP...

[#] Thu Mar 27 2014 07:23:19 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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but ... but ... but ... TEH CLOUD!!!!!!1`

[#] Thu Mar 27 2014 07:56:57 EDT from wizard of aahz @ Uncensored

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The cloud has clouded your brain

[#] Thu Mar 27 2014 10:30:13 EDT from zooer @ Uncensored

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I took advantage of one of those free MP3 samplers on Amazon. I have downloaded music from Amazon before but
not recently. For some reason Amazon put it on "the cloud" for me and then told me I can listen to it whenever,
wherever I want.
I can't listen to it in my car when I want.

[#] Thu Mar 27 2014 15:57:58 EDT from LoanShark @ Uncensored

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The cloud has clouded your brain

You're talking to a brain in a vat. IG uploaded his consciousness to teh cloud last year.

As for who or what you ate lunch with the other day... I don't know. Be worried.

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