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[#] Sun Feb 15 2009 15:49:44 EST from Ladyhawke @ Uncensored

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Thu Feb 12 2009 09:20:41 AM EST from IGnatius T Foobar <>
Dialup: a turtle
Cable modem: a rabbit
Capped cable modem: a rabbit with a brick tied to each foot

must make for a heavy rearview mirror ornament....

[#] Mon Feb 16 2009 22:20:35 EST from LoanShark @ Uncensored

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is this room still alive? dsl is so y2k.

so IG has had DSL for years, too, so the reason for being is... what? exactly?

[#] Mon Feb 16 2009 22:21:45 EST from LoanShark @ Uncensored

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oh, I see. this is just thread drift. how many years since this room has been on topic?

[#] Mon Feb 16 2009 22:30:16 EST from rod @ Uncensored

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Now it's the "other" meaning of DSL. Post pics!!

[#] Mon Feb 16 2009 22:32:52 EST from LoanShark @ Uncensored

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damn small linux?
domain-[23~specific language?

[#] Mon Feb 16 2009 23:22:18 EST from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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I guess it's the place to talk about residential Internet options in general, but we're too lazy to rename it across the entire network.

[#] Tue Feb 17 2009 13:06:50 EST from dothebart @ Uncensored

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hm, yes. actualy over hre first persons have fiber to the cellar.

[#] Tue Feb 17 2009 21:37:28 EST from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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Fiber to the premises is starting to become commonplace here as well. The phone companies are doing it but the cable companies still seem to prefer fiber to the neighborhood and then coax from the neighborhood switch to each home.

Although I understand the advantage of a passive optical network, and I like the coolness factor of having fiber all the way to your home, I think the cable company's version makes more sense, and more efficient use of the cable plant. Who cares if the network is passive? If there's no power at the pole, there's no power at the subscribers' homes either. (Smartasses with generators don't count.)

[#] Wed Mar 11 2009 10:22:17 EDT from dothebart @ Uncensored

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hm, fiber tothe house later this year in my part of the city:

(the one east, Kalk)

[#] Fri Mar 13 2009 16:44:24 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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Actually I'm more impressed by the number of local railroads. Seems like you can get anywhere by train there.

[#] Fri Mar 13 2009 18:13:28 EDT from dothebart @ Uncensored

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well, via subway and S-Bahn, yes. thats one of the reasons why I don't have a car. I don't need it...

plus... cologne is the train axis of western germany, since the rhine (river) offers good terain to build railroads, if you go from south to north or vice versa you're most probably going to hit cologne.

[#] Mon Jun 22 2009 21:21:17 EDT from Ford II @ Uncensored

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It hasn't even started yet and I'm already getting angry.
Many years ago I made the mistake of being an early adopter of FIOS internet. I don't remember the details, but basically I think before verizon was selling it, you could buy it from somebody else, so I did, acescape.
And I got a static IP and all was well with the world.
Then after a few years, they (ace) said verizon is fucking them and all they could do for me is give me actual FIOS verizon service and bill through them, so that's what I've been doing for another bunch of years.
And now I want to upgrade(ahem) to get fios TV. Or rather my wife does.
But you can't get TV from verizon and have innernet from somebody else.
And because of the goofy non standard way my account is setup, I can't merely switch billing service, I have to actually cancel with ace and sign up from scratch with verizon.
The nice (as always) people at ace were going to try and arrange it to have the disconnect happen as late as possible so I'd suffer as little downtime as possible.

[#] Mon Jun 22 2009 21:22:48 EDT from Ford II @ Uncensored

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Well, of course that wasn't going to work.
After 3-4 days back and forth with ace and verizon I finally convinced verizon that they couldn't switch my service, they should not try and figure out how it is I have fios but am not in their billing system, and just sign me up with new service.
I was scheduled for installation wednesday 8-12.
I told ace, they said they'd try to get me disconnected tuesday night.


[#] Mon Jun 22 2009 21:26:08 EDT from Ford II @ Uncensored

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Today verizon called me, and it all started going downhill very quickly.
Apparently somebody in the chain of allocating resources tried to put in an order for fios internet (I'm actually getting triple play and the way they do it involves making 3 requests, one to tv, one to phone andone to internet and waiting for them all to resolve so the main order can be stamped "OK" and sent to fulfillment) and THEY noticed that I alreadyd have FIOS internet and they'd be double lining me or something like that, and that causes my order to be put in jeopardy.
Jeopardy is a funny thing. we had that at AT&T which means it was probably part of the process before the big ma bell split up, and each phone company kept their own version of jeopardy.
And when they told me my order was in jeopardy I knew I was doomed.
So some computer somewhere pushed my order back to july 21. And since it wasn't a person it didn'tr write any notes in my order to explain why.
So great now ace will turn off my internet tomorrow, and verizon will turn it on a month later.

[#] Mon Jun 22 2009 21:29:11 EDT from Ford II @ Uncensored

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So I called them up again (I spent hours on the phone with them today) and got somebody who seemed to have an idea of what they were talking about, and she was able to back my order to thursday (which sucks because I have to go to the office thursday, I had the wednesday thing all planned perfectly) and explain to me that whatever second line was holding up my order was gone and it was clear for takeoff, and they were just waiting for the phone people to get back to them.
I suppose the interesting part is that I'm writing this now from home so I obviously still have internet, but I fully expect to be offline for a while, and i won't even be able to lok anything up on the web.
I should probably start writing down phone numbers.
Presuming they don't break my phone either, since I'm also switching from verizon phone to verizon phone.

[#] Mon Jun 22 2009 21:58:43 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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Considering that you've opted to keep your POTS line instead of moving phone service onto FIOS, which is *not* the usual move , they'll probably screw that up too.

[#] Tue Jun 23 2009 05:58:36 EDT from Ford II @ Uncensored

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but they do allow it and have special provision for it. They even have a name for it "mixed media" it's called.

[#] Wed Jun 24 2009 22:46:30 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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I placed my order for FIOS tonight too. Since I can't get DirecTV anymore I might as well take advantage of the $99 triple play bundle instead of paying $60/month for 1500/384 DSL.

Verizon's web site is terrible! I had to fight with it for an hour, start over a couple of times, and reload a lot of different pages just to finish.
All that so that I can GIVE THEM MONEY! Normally when I work this hard, someone pays ME.

So anyway, my installation is scheduled for Tuesday, July 7. We'll see how it goes.

[#] Wed Jun 24 2009 22:51:39 EDT from Animal @ Uncensored

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Yeah, I always have issues with vz's webpages.

[#] Thu Jun 25 2009 15:36:11 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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Does anyone know anything about MoCA?

Am I correct in guessing that MoCA is nothing more than ethernet bridged over coax?

Verizon seems to do all new FIOS installs using MoCA now, which forces you to use the Actiontec router they supply. Word on the street is "Actiontec routers suck" (I seem to recall hearing Animal say the same thing).

It seems that the FIOS installer will only put the Internet on the ONT's ethernet port if you ask him to. But it also seems that the Motorola STB's (including the fancy new DVR that I ordered) need to use MoCA to receive guide data, video on demand, etc.

Looking around the 'net I am seeing reports of people being able to put the Actiontec router into bridge mode, basically turning it into a MoCA-to-Ethernet bridge, and then letting the set top boxes communicate with the Verizon mothership using *my* firewall (which will connect to the ONT's ethernet port).

Am I delusional?

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