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[#] Sun Jan 28 2007 12:44:36 EST from Linux Man @ Uncensored

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Oct 27 2005 7:20am from IGnatius T Foobar @uncnsrd
That's encouraging, but I did notice that they're still quite lax about

removing bridge taps when you *cancel* a line; i.e. when you cancel a

line someone else's dial tone appears on it a few weeks later if you
plug some equipment back into it.


I believe they leave that on for the free 911 service.
You can go into any home that doesn't have landline phone service and dial 911 on it and get through.

[#] Sun Jan 28 2007 12:53:20 EST from Linux Man @ Uncensored

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Oct 29 2005 3:53pm from IGnatius T Foobar @uncnsrd
My cell phone has a GPS receiver in it. Whenever I dial 911, they know

exactly where I am. And of course whenever I dial *any* number, the
government knows exactly where I am.

In some phones, the 6015i Nokia Cell phone, there is a setting to limit who gets the GPS information.
Called "Location info Sharing". If you select on, the info gets shared with the network, but if you choose emergency, then the info gets shared with the emergency people. :)

[#] Sun Jan 28 2007 12:54:38 EST from Linux Man @ Uncensored

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Oct 29 2005 4:19pm from Peter Pulse @uncnsrd
Yea I've been wondering for a while now if the "GPS" in cellphones is a

real-deal GPS receiver, or some funky thing they're just calling GPS.

If it's the real deal, you'd think someone would have leveraged that by

now for a mapping thing. It seems so obvious. Or what might be cool

is, you're on the phone with someone, they push a button and you get a

display on your phone telling you their distance and bearing.

Well, they do have cell phones out that do just that thing.

[#] Sun Jan 28 2007 12:59:30 EST from Linux Man @ Uncensored

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Oct 31 2005 10:22pm from IGnatius T Foobar @uncnsrd
Until next year, when the FCC decides that the existence of two phone
companies demonstrates that "robust competition exists" in the
marketplace, and pulls the plug on naked DSL. The following year,
the remaining two phone companies will merge.

What's that, over there? It's Ma Bell! And boy is she pissed!


Well, it is now 2007, and they haven't killed it.

[#] Sun Jan 28 2007 13:02:10 EST from Linux Man @ Uncensored

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Nov 1 2005 11:54am from Ford II @uncnsrd
here's my opinion on why it doesn't matter.
the phone companys (the bigger they get the worse off they are) will

always have more overhead to pay for than a smaller company
They will try to compete with amazon/skype or whatever other service

is offering phone calls.
Everybody will feel better knowing that they will be REQUIRED to
register a physical address for 911 calls. Or tie it to a gps cell
phone.
Either way, the phone company is going to have a real hard time
competing for VOIP customers. So they realize that they better get into

other businesses.

Well, they have Skype, AIM phone number, and I don't know about any others as of yet. I have both, Skype and AIM. My AIM number is in St. Louis, but I live in Southern, IL.

[#] Sun Jan 28 2007 13:15:00 EST from Linux Man @ Uncensored

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Dec 2 2005 10:43am from IGnatius T Foobar @uncnsrd
Your download speed : 6596 kbps or 824.5 KB/sec.
Your upload speed : 1159 kbps or 144.8 KB/sec.

Hmmm... there must be something wrong; I'm running the tests from a
network that has multiple T3's to the Internet. :)


It mattes what server you are hitting for those test, if that server is heavily used, then your tests will be skewed.

[#] Sun Jan 28 2007 14:14:18 EST from Groo the Wanderer @ Uncensored

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IG, how long has this room been on UCG?  Was it here before I left?  Just curious.  It seems so familiar.


[#] Sun Jan 28 2007 15:01:57 EST from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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It's been here since 1999 or so, when DSL first hit the market and was hard to get.

[#] Sun Jan 28 2007 15:18:16 EST from Groo the Wanderer @ Uncensored

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Right, ok.  THat's why I asked because I knew when I was on last DSL wasn't something that everyone had.  ISDL I think was the big thing or Red, or whatever it was called.  But DSL came around big right after 2000 or so.  Within no time most people seemed to have DSL or cable.

 



[#] Sun Jan 28 2007 15:40:34 EST from Freakdog @ Dog Pound BBS II

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Until next year, when the FCC decides that the existence of two phone


companies demonstrates that "robust competition exists" in the
marketplace, and pulls the plug on naked DSL. The following year,

the remaining two phone companies will merge.

What's that, over there? It's Ma Bell! And boy is she pissed!

As a matter of fact, one of the conditions of the AT&T/Bell South merger was expanded naked DSL at low pricing.

[#] Sun Jan 28 2007 16:47:32 EST from Magus @ Uncensored

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I think you're thinking of ISDN there, Groo.

And I was just noticing that the name of this room made a lot more sense back when it was first created than it does now...

[#] Sun Jan 28 2007 23:05:48 EST from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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I believe they leave that on for the free 911 service.
You can go into any home that doesn't have landline phone service and

dial 911 on it and get through.

True, and that seems to be something relatively new. Loops are no longer taken out of service; they're subscribed to a restricted dial tone that can only be used for 911 emergency or for ordering telephone service. Telco found a way to make it easier to ensure new residents establish service with the ILEC while simultaneously reducing legal exposure in the event someone wanted to make an emergency call but couldn't.

The technological side effect, in this case a good one, is that you no longer end up with someone else's dial tone on your cancelled line because there was a bridge tap somewhere.

[#] Tue Jan 30 2007 08:36:34 EST from IO ERROR @ Uncensored

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No, now they screw up in completely new and unexpected ways.

[#] Wed Jan 31 2007 07:54:30 EST from Ian M. Shot @ Haven BBS

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My brother Alan ran into this recently.  He has lived in his house for 2 years now and hasn't had phone service to the house, he used cell phones.  He has signed up for Vonage. He planned on backhauling Vonage into the house wiring.  So to get ready for this he plugs in his phones and plugs them into the phone jacks.  10 minutes later the phone rings.  He picks it up, and can't talk the batteries haven't charged enough.   10 minutes later same thing happens.  He still can't talk because of the battery issue.   A few hours later he picks up one of the phones and find that he has a dial tone.  So he calls his Cell Phone.   Gets the #, does a reverse lookup on it and finds that it is a house 2 blocks down the street. 

He then calls AT&T to report the problem.  They won't do anything because he isn't the person on the account and so he can't authorize any charges if the problem is with his wiring.  

I think his exact words when he related this story to me was "You have got to be kidding me.  I am calling you from my bedroom 2 blocks from the person who has this phone #, using thier phone line, and you can't look into this??"  AT&T decided to call the person who owns the phone # to let them know about the issue and then they could call back in to report it, and have it taken care of.  

 

I suggested that Alan gets free Long Distance calls for the next few days on this other guy's dime, since AT&T was acting silly.   



[#] Wed Jan 31 2007 11:53:43 EST from nadia @ Uncensored

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wow, i would be totally annoyed. my voip is plugged into my household wiring.

that does sort of make me think of when we moved buildings at ucsb. they gave us the same phone numbers (on average, sort of rearranged but within the same research group) but at the time one small lab that i was in charge of didn't move. they connected that phone line to someone's office, but left it connected in the old building. we didn't noticed until the guy in the office called the telecom people and told them he couldn't figure out how to check his voicemail, and they called the number and told him he had an answering machine hooked up. it wasn't a big deal in that situation, but who knows what other lines they left connected.

[#] Wed Jan 31 2007 12:11:41 EST from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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Ian: *that* is *exactly* what I was talking about. Telco isn't careful to remove bridge taps when they disconnect a line, so your loop can suddenly go active with someone else's service if it remains unused for some amount of time. The amount of time is, most likely, inversely proportional to the subscriber density in your neighborhood.

If you're going to re-use your inside wiring, under *any* circumstances, it's always a good idea to disconnect it at the NID.

And of course if you want to be nasty, you can start sending big jolts of high voltage up into the loop. That'll make 'em fix the bridge tap real quick.
:)

[#] Wed Jan 31 2007 12:48:50 EST from Curly Surmudgeon @ Haven BBS

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And of course if you want to be nasty, you can start sending big jolts

of high voltage up into the loop. That'll make 'em fix the bridge tap

real quick. :)

Shit, another room to zap.

Disgustingly foul mind. Now I need to go wash my hands.

[#] Wed Jan 31 2007 12:58:11 EST from Ian M. Shot @ Haven BBS

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When I was having a dispute with AT&T about a few things I thought about running 220V across the wires to see what would happen. 

 

Alan was going to unplug from the demarc/NID, but he hadn't yet, and figured it should be fixed since he was planning on getting DSL.   



[#] Wed Jan 31 2007 12:58:50 EST from Ian M. Shot @ Haven BBS

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Sorry about that, I moved Curly's message. 


[#] Wed Jan 31 2007 14:20:56 EST from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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Sometimes telco really does use a high voltage "zap" (the exact voltage is *very* carefully selected) with equipment removed from both ends, of course, to cause a questionable loop to degrade into a completely broken loop. Then they can meter the length of the remaining piece to find out the exact location of the break.

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