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[#] Fri Oct 28 2005 22:44:47 EDT from Peter Pulse @ Uncensored

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In NYC it's been 10 digit dialing for years now, even if you have Verizon.

[#] Sat Oct 29 2005 00:06:19 EDT from harry @ God-Empresses Domain

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IG - Have you thought about how 911 calls might or might not get handled?
I don't know if you care, but it's enough of a concern for me that I don't want to risk it.

[#] Sat Oct 29 2005 01:11:33 EDT from Animal @ Uncensored

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Denver went to ten-digit dialing about 8 years ago, shortly after the 303/720 area code merge.

It's kind of crazy. 303 and 720 are billed as local calls, to/from each AC. Calls within each area code are local.
Wyoming has one area code, 307, yet calls outside of the region (usually county) are long-distance.
I like my 307 number and don't want to change it. Verizon doesn't want me to change either, since they want me to pay close to $100 to change to a 303 number. And $3/mo for an 800 number to keep people from bitching about having to pay for long distance makes it worth it. My monthly phone bill is under $20 for both a 307 and an 800 number.

I'm still kind of curious to see how a 911 call would route from my phone though.

[#] Sat Oct 29 2005 01:20:44 EDT from harry @ Uncensored

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Can't your VoIP provider TELL you how they should handle it?

But what they TELL you will happen and what ACTUALLY happens can, of course, be two different things.

Here in Seattle I have Comcast Digital Telephone service. We happened to have to call 911 a couple of times. Each time the 911 operator said something like "You just dialed 911 and you're in Sea-Tac and you got HERE?
" like I had gotten the WRONG 911 operator? and then she re-routed me to a SECOND 911 operator.

So after this happened TWICE, both times exactly the same, I got really suspicious that Comcast had somehow F'ed up my 911 connections and so I called Comcast and bitched about it.

They said "We'll open up a ticket and check it out". Long story short, they fixed the routing bug at their end.

But it just goes to show you that getting what you REALLY WANTED at the 911 end of things is NOT guaranteed, no mater what they tell you it will do.


[#] Sat Oct 29 2005 01:25:18 EDT from Peter Pulse @ Uncensored

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Well, to be fair, when 911 service was first created, it was a pretty much straightforward mapping since each exchange served a specific geographic area.

[#] Sat Oct 29 2005 01:30:28 EDT from harry @ Uncensored

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Yeah, but VoIP is so NOT geographically-oriented. And here in the Seattle area, Comcast Digital Phone service basically IS VoIP, I believe, in it's actual implementation.

The bottom line is: At least you should ASK your VoIP provider what they do to properly route 911 calls so that you get the RIGHT 911 operator the FIRST time.

Just my 2 cents worth.

soapbox mode off.


[#] Sat Oct 29 2005 15:38:37 EDT from thom @ The Cocoon

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My phone service is VOIP from Vonage.  When I set up, I had to specifically set up each number associated with my physical address and they have (so they say), tied each number to contact the correct 911 for my physical location.  I'm told that my address will not appear to the 911 operator, but I should at least be contacting the correct location.

But since I have a 12 year old, I did keep one bare bones POTS line for emergency use.  She knows to use that phone if she ever needs to call 911.

Also, if I call within my area code (602), I can just dial 7 digits.  Any other area code, and it's 10 digits.   

[#] Sat Oct 29 2005 15:53:35 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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My cell phone has a GPS receiver in it. Whenever I dial 911, they know exactly where I am. And of course whenever I dial *any* number, the government knows exactly where I am.

What sucks is that I can't take advantage of the GPS. It won't tell *me* where I am.

Some VoIP providers ask you to register your location for E911 purposes when you sign up. Acecape hasn't asked me to do that. I will probably have to look into it.

[#] Sat Oct 29 2005 16:19:59 EDT from Peter Pulse @ Uncensored

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Yea I've been wondering for a while now if the "GPS" in cellphones is a real-deal GPS receiver, or some funky thing they're just calling GPS. If it's the real deal, you'd think someone would have leveraged that by now for a mapping thing.
It seems so obvious. Or what might be cool is, you're on the phone with someone, they push a button and you get a display on your phone telling you their distance and bearing.
So it turns out that Verizon (wireless) won't let you activate any phone that doesn't have GPS. Jaime broke her phone and I gave her my old one (it's just a couple of years old, I was using it until a year ago). They wouldn't let her use it.

[#] Sat Oct 29 2005 16:45:49 EDT from Peter Pulse @ Uncensored

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Yea, I'm still on the fence as far as dropping my POTS line. Thinking about it. I basically use my cellphone as my full time phone, and the POTS phone is a secondary phone. So I really don't need it, I could drop it altogether.
But sometimes the cell has problems. Then it's nice to have an alternate phone... I have in mind the blackout, when neither my cellphone nor any IP phone worked. The POTS line still has the best chance of working in an emergency.

[#] Sat Oct 29 2005 19:34:24 EDT from Patriot @ PixelBBS

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Cell phones aren't actually GPS receivers. Whenever you pass a cell tower your position is updated to the CO. They don't get (unless all this has changed in the last year or so) your actual position, but your position at the time you passed the last cell tower.. You could be anywhere in a fairly large radius from the tower, honestly.

[#] Sat Oct 29 2005 20:11:19 EDT from Animal @ Uncensored

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AFAIK, Newer cellphones have a GPS receiver in the phone that locks your location pretty close, so emergency services know where you are.
My phone's so old, it doesn't have one of those, had to sign a waiver because of it.

[#] Sat Oct 29 2005 23:33:03 EDT from Animal @ Uncensored

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there's a story on the news right now about GPS in phones, got this lady's latitude/longitude within 100ft from her phone.

[#] Sun Oct 30 2005 01:33:18 EDT from harry @ God-Empresses Domain

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That has good things, like 911 might be able to find you, for example, but the bad things like, so can the CIA, FBI, NSA, etc, etc.

[#] Sun Oct 30 2005 06:56:29 EST from Peter Pulse @ Uncensored

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If you go into the setup menu of your phone (the hidden, phone company one, not the normal one) you'll see numerous setup options for the gps.. it's a real gps. I found some instructions on line as to how to get a display of your coordinates. Unfortunately when I try it, Verizon asks for a PIN. I guess too many people know about it now...

[#] Sun Oct 30 2005 13:33:48 EST from Animal @ Uncensored

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hehehehe, or you could just get an old phone like mine without a gps. No way in hell to enable it if it doesn't exist :-D

[#] Sun Oct 30 2005 15:04:57 EST from harry @ God-Empresses Domain

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I wonder if my phones have those? One is probably way too old to have it.
It's just my "backup" phone for 911 only. The other is a Nokia with T-Mobile pre-pay service. It's newer like in the last year or so. How can you find out?

[#] Sun Oct 30 2005 16:25:23 EST from IO ERROR @ Uncensored

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The government can track -- and has been tracking -- your cell phone's location, whether you make a call or not. Without probable cause, even. I've posted extensively on this at . Judges are starting to get a little pissed off about it, too...

[#] Sun Oct 30 2005 16:29:41 EST from harry @ Uncensored

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Good, for the judges, I mean. Bad for us, the private law-abiding citizens though. We have enough of "Big Brother" without them spying on our every move, whether we are law-breakers or not. The only laws I routinely break is/are speed limits on the freeways/highways. I try to keep even with or a little behind the "pack" as it were. I find that going too slow, relative to the "pack", even if I *AM* going the speed limit, is unsafe.

[#] Mon Oct 31 2005 17:32:48 EST from IO ERROR @ Uncensored

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FCC approved the Verizon-MCI and SBC-AT&T mergers today. One of the conditions is that the companies have to offer naked DSL.

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