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[#] Sun Oct 09 2005 17:36:20 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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Earlier this year they were beta testing the process, and they told me that it carried some risk, so I declined their offer to be a beta tester.

Now that the service is in place, I've asked for it, but I told them that I only want to proceed if there is absolutely no risk of losing the DSL.

Losing phone service for a little while is fine with me -- we have cell phones, after all. But losing the DSL is unacceptable.

[#] Mon Oct 10 2005 12:06:56 EDT from Ford II @ Uncensored

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I expect we'll all know before IG if something doesn't work out. :-)

[#] Mon Oct 10 2005 12:56:51 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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Arkady was really up front and honest about it. He said that they've ported many numbers and not once has the DSL service been disconnected, but that the risk is of course non-zero and as my Internet provider it is their responsibility to say so.

So, we'll see what happens. If things go really wrong I can always move the server to my office, but hopefully that won't be necessary.

[#] Thu Oct 27 2005 00:07:21 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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My ATA arrived today (a Sipura SPA-1001 [] -- nice little box) and I plugged it in, and found that it was preconfigured.
Even though my dial tone hasn't been moved yet, I can still make outbound VoIP calls.

Originally I thought it wasn't working because I tried dialing my analog phone, but as it turns out, the Asterisk server assumed that it owned that number so it considered the line busy. When I dialed someone else it worked nicely.

Soooo... the next step is for Verizon to remove the dial tone from my line and send the number over to Acecape. Then, no more phone bill.

Hey, IO -- these days, when the linemen are on the poles checking for an unused pair to use for a new loop ... do they still check merely for dialtone, or do they now look for "any voltage at all" (i.e. the data-only voltage from a naked DSL circuit)? I'd hate to have my line cut because some moron lineman seized the pair because he didn't hear any dial tone...

[#] Thu Oct 27 2005 00:10:44 EDT from Ladyhawke @ Uncensored

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W00t, IG!

[#] Thu Oct 27 2005 01:32:13 EDT from Freakdog @ Dog Pound BBS II

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They're not supposed to be picking a pair, at the pole, based on lack of signal or voltage, anymore.

Everything's supposed to be mapped, already...from the CO, to the RT, to the posts on the pole.

[#] Thu Oct 27 2005 07:20:43 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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That's encouraging, but I did notice that they're still quite lax about removing bridge taps when you *cancel* a line; i.e. when you cancel a line someone else's dial tone appears on it a few weeks later if you plug some equipment back into it.

[#] Thu Oct 27 2005 19:27:17 EDT from Freakdog @ Dog Pound BBS II

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Bridge taps were always a pain in the ass.

[#] Fri Oct 28 2005 15:31:55 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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They ported my number. Sort of.

Outbound calling works, and my old POTS line is dead, but I get a re-order when I try to dial my home number from the outside.

I called Acecape to report the problem, and the tech asked "Are you Art, from 914?" Evidently something went wrong and it was brought to their attention.

[#] Fri Oct 28 2005 15:40:50 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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Ok, problem solved. I'm now on VoIP with naked DSL, and since I'm typing this message from work, it should also be apparent that my DSL didn't get interrupted.

[#] Fri Oct 28 2005 15:42:42 EDT from Ladyhawke @ Uncensored

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New working toy!  W00t!  <Grin>

[#] Fri Oct 28 2005 15:52:20 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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Sorta. I had phone and internet before, I have phone and internet now, the only difference is that I'll be saving about $50 a month and I'll have twice as much bandwidth for the computers when the phone isn't in use.

[#] Fri Oct 28 2005 15:55:55 EDT from Peter Pulse @ Uncensored

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Oh, did you also increase the DSL bandwidth? Does dropping the POTS line give you any advantage in terms of the max DSL speed your line will support?

[#] Fri Oct 28 2005 15:59:25 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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I increased my bandwidth to 1600/384 for an additional $10/month. This was accomplished long before the VoIP order went through, so I don't think the latter change has any effect on the bandwidth capacity of the line. For me it was just a matter of cost; with the expensive Verizon phone service gone, I can afford to spend more on Internet bandwidth.

[#] Fri Oct 28 2005 16:02:52 EDT from Peter Pulse @ Uncensored

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Got ya. I have the same speed. Actually because of my moving the modem right next to the demarc I'm getting a little better than that now. It's a pretty good speed, I don't feel too restricted as to what I can do, unless I'm doing a big upload, which can take a while but isn't unreasonable...

[#] Fri Oct 28 2005 16:15:28 EDT from Ford II @ Uncensored

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I called Acecape to report the problem, and the tech asked "Are you
Art, from 914?" Evidently something went wrong and it was brought to

their attention. :)

or you're the first/only customer. :-)

[#] Fri Oct 28 2005 17:09:58 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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Ok, if you got better speed by moving the modem closer to the demarc, then the next thing I will do is remove the microfilter (since there's no longer any dial tone on the loop) and run a nice clean piece of Cat 5 from the outdoor demarc to the phone panel inside my house. Even if I can squeeze a few kbps out of it it'll be worth it.

[#] Fri Oct 28 2005 20:40:41 EDT from IO ERROR @ Uncensored

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IG, they're supposed to use cables depending entirely on service records of what's in use and not in use. You shouldn't have any problems, assuming the records are correct (and I see no reason to believe they would be wrong, except Verizon totally screwing something up). Oh. You're in deep shit. ;)

As for bridge taps, that's usually caused by a technician ADDING a bridge tap...

[#] Fri Oct 28 2005 22:39:14 EDT from Peter Pulse @ Uncensored

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Yea, that day that everything was hosed, I moved it up to the demarc. Which helped but didn't entirely solve my problem... Until it magically started working again. But Acecape told me that I was syncing faster.. I can't remember the numbers exactly, but it was several hundred K improvement on the downstream and a significant percentage increase on the upstream (which is what I really wanted). So I left it there. BTW I increased my speed probably the same time you did.. when they were offering that promotion for the SOHO level service.
Anyway, I ended up going wifi because I was too cheap/lazy/busy to get myself the 75-100ft cat5 cable I would need to reach from my computer to the router in its new location. But even with that, I can definitely feel the difference in latency, especially ssh-ing over vpn... Probably feeling the upstream improvement. I do a lot of editing over ssh so I'll take any improvment I can get...

[#] Fri Oct 28 2005 22:40:15 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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Well, it's all done now. I've got 1600/384 naked DSL ($60/month) and unlimited VoIP ($25/month), and everything seems to be working. I'm a little displeased that we now have to use 10 digit dialing even for local calls, but we'll get used to that. The sound quality is quite good, and there is no lag or delay in the service.

All in all I'm happy. I now have a "pure data circuit" again, just like I did when I had IDSL.

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