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[#] Fri Jul 01 2005 23:45:42 EDT from papa smurf @ Haven BBS

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My DSL was down 1 1/2 days, then I couldn't get on for another 1 1/2 days because somone there change my password.

[#] Fri Aug 05 2005 17:22:31 EDT from Ian M. Shot @ Haven BBS

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So, um, did the FCC just screw DSL customers or is it just me?

[#] Fri Aug 05 2005 21:09:10 EDT from fleeb @ Uncensored

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Yes, the FCC did screw DSL customers.

I'm amongst the screwed. Worse, considering that Verizon's service (if you can think of it as such) is completely and utterly unreliable.

[#] Fri Aug 05 2005 23:39:53 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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The RBOC's have spent millions of dollars lobbying for "deregulation" so that they can have their fair share (100%) of the market.

As I mentioned elsewhere, I only hope that VADI continues to exist and continues to offer wholesale DSL networks to specialty ISP's. Considering the fact that they charge the ISP's more for a wholesale circuit than they charge consumers for the circuit plus Internet service, it certainly is possible.

Otherwise I'm going to have to start shelling out $80/month for "Verizon Business DSL." :(

[#] Mon Aug 15 2005 23:53:10 EDT from "nixo" <> to

Subject: [Fwd: IMPORTANT NOTICE to AceFiber Users]

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Doesn't this just suck.

IMPORTANT NOTICE to AceFiber Users (message/rfc822, 923 bytes) [View| Download]
[#] Tue Aug 16 2005 09:39:44 EDT from wizard of aahz @ Uncensored

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Uhm Ford. Maybe I'm missing something here....

[#] Tue Aug 16 2005 11:43:41 EDT from Ford II @ Uncensored

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that note says that ace won't sell me static ip anymore.
I've had their service for all of a month, and now they're taking it away.
this sucks.
anybody hear about this?
Why fiber and not dsl?

[#] Tue Aug 16 2005 11:45:46 EDT from wizard of aahz @ Uncensored

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That's just stupid. I would scream and yell.. And then blow up their offices... uhoh.. I think I'm channeling some sort of dark spirit.

[#] Tue Aug 16 2005 12:01:01 EDT from fleeb @ Uncensored

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Yeah, that really stinks.

I'm guessing they don't have enough real IP addresses or something.

[#] Tue Aug 16 2005 13:01:02 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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It doesn't add up. Clearly it has to do with Verizon taking advantage of recent FCC changes (after all, we have the best government money can buy), but the exact nature of this change is unclear.

Could it be that Verizon has decided not to allow third-party ISP's to terminate subscriber connections on fiber? If that's the case, Acecape would really be just selling you re-branded Verizon FIOS, which is completely useless; you may as well just be buying it directly from Verizon.

Or, if Verizon decided that Acecape and others must now do PPPoE in order to allow Verizon to bundle "other services" on the line, then theoretically Acecape should be able to offer static IP anyway.

If they can't do static IP, their value add is gone and there's no point in using the service.

[#] Tue Aug 16 2005 13:04:35 EDT from fleeb @ Uncensored

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Burn the witch! Burn her!

Er... or something.

[#] Tue Aug 16 2005 14:09:36 EDT from Ford II @ Uncensored

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yeah, that's what I was thinking, or would have thought if I thought it through.
what you say makes sense, and I await a response from ace, maybe it's just a hoax.
Maybe they can run dsl over my fiber so that I can get a static ip.

[#] Tue Aug 16 2005 17:06:04 EDT from "nixo" <> to

Subject: [Fwd: Re: IMPORTANT NOTICE to AceFiber Users]

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The latest response...

I is fucked. Anybody got any bright ideas?

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: IMPORTANT NOTICE to AceFiber Users
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 16:56:04 -0400
From: AceDSL Support <>
References: <>

Unfortunately, this was not spam. And, in general, you got the picture
right. We cannot say anymore because we are bound by an NDA. That takes
out the whole lobbying idea.

We realize that you incurred costs transferring your domains, but those
be offset by free service which you will receive until the final switch

We will contact you with more concrete options later this week.

AceDSL Support

tel: 877-224-3754

[#] Tue Aug 16 2005 17:08:00 EDT from wizard of aahz @ Uncensored

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Hopefullyt they're being bought out and it will get better?

[#] Tue Aug 16 2005 21:54:57 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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They haven't notified DSL users of any change, so this appears to be a fiber-only thing.

This sucks in a big way, and it will affect everyone here. I was going to subscribe to this service when it became available here, which would have provided faster access to Uncensored for everyone.

Please post all the updates as you get them, Ford...

[#] Wed Aug 17 2005 13:03:12 EDT from Ford II @ Uncensored

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yeah, I called verizon this morning, talked toa FIOS person and she said fiber isn't regulated at all.
So I said well then somebody at verizon is voluntarily screwing ace, can I talk to those people? I have no idea what you're talking about, call the FCC>
So I sent a note to ace seeing if they know anything.

[#] Wed Aug 17 2005 13:03:47 EDT from Ford II @ Uncensored

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ahhh.. the response is: "We cannot do that."

[#] Wed Aug 17 2005 13:04:00 EDT from Ford II @ Uncensored

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rather terse I guess they're tired of me.

[#] Wed Aug 17 2005 13:05:14 EDT from fleeb @ Uncensored

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(Verizon != service) == true;

[#] Wed Aug 17 2005 13:05:44 EDT from wizard of aahz @ Uncensored

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Ford - Keep pushing. It's not like you have anything to lose. What are they going to do? Get rid of your static IP if you don't stop asking?

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