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[#] Thu Jun 23 2005 17:24:18 EDT from Ford II @ Uncensored

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well holy of holies, verizon showed up yesterday. they said it would take a few weeks, and 304 days after my order,t hey showed up.
My installation was within 2 weeks of when they first started rolling it out, and I'm *THE* first to get ip from somebody other than verizon: expect problems.
The wiring took about an hour or two, but they couldn't get it to give them an IP
I suggested early on they were going to have problems because verizon wasn't supplying the ip, but they said it would have been on the order if that was the case.
many hours later, they figured out that I have to call ace and get an IP from them.
So I haven't been home yet to try it, but I expect that's it.

[#] Fri Jun 24 2005 00:13:57 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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Actually, I wouldn't expect Layer 3 (IP) problems. FiOS is identical to DSL once it hits the central office. The VADI network doesn't care whether it's sending traffic to Verizon Online or a third-party ISP.

That will also explain why the installer didn't get an IP address. Acecape doesn't run DHCP. Again, identical to DSL. In fact, from Acecape's point of view, your FiOS connection is indistinguishable from an ADSL loop, except for the throughput it'll be able to carry.

[#] Fri Jun 24 2005 08:35:46 EDT from Ford II @ Uncensored

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well here I am, 5 minutes after trying, I can connect to things with it.
now I'm going to run some speed tests.

[#] Fri Jun 24 2005 08:43:50 EDT from Ford II @ Uncensored

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so dsl reports (now apparently called broadband reports) says I'm getting 4167 down and 1686 up.
I have to play more but according to my little speed script, my max down is about half that of cable, but my up is 2.5 times faster than cable's max up (when they're not limiting me to 10K a second)

[#] Fri Jun 24 2005 08:44:07 EDT from Ford II @ Uncensored

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seems a bit snappier, but maybe I'm imagineing that.

[#] Fri Jun 24 2005 10:48:50 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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That is VERY cool. Actual fiber to the home. I hope they come to my neighborhood soon. :)

So now you get to move your server back home?

[#] Fri Jun 24 2005 13:41:52 EDT from Ford II @ Uncensored

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yeah, I spent all morning fixing dynamic dns things to point to me, I haven't touched them in so long I forgot where who and how they worked.
now at least Iget mail again.

I was talking to the install guys I think mt kisco isn't high on their list.

bedford and chappaqua are, of course.

Yeah, as soon as I have time, all the server stuff comes to me.

no question though: I definetly get better response, snappier web pages and telnet answers from my machine now than I did yesterday.

[#] Sat Jun 25 2005 00:17:48 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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Soooooo... what did you end up paying per month? And what speed?

[#] Mon Jun 27 2005 13:48:19 EDT from Peter Pulse @ Uncensored

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That kicks ass. So what's the deal with the 'wiring'? Did they already have fiber running down your street to make a drop from? Did they bury the fiber to bring it into your house? Or through the air? Is your old wire still in place? And all the questions that ig asked...

[#] Mon Jun 27 2005 15:53:33 EDT from Ford II @ Uncensored

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verizon sells 5down 2 up for $35. They sell it to ace for $40, ace sells it to me for $50.
verizon also sell 10down 5 up and 15 down 10 up or something like that.
I'm paying $50 to ace.

the wiring started this all going, a few months ago, the verizon trucks were in my neighborhood, so I asked them what they were doing, they said wiring fiber on the poles.
So it was on the pole then the install guys came over and ran a bit of fiber from the pole to the side of my house where there's this HUUUUUUUUUUUGEEEEEEEEEEEEE box, turns it into 4 phone lines and an ethernet jack.
there are 3 wires running into my house, I haven't had time to check them all out.
one's the battery though, I think. one's the data, not sure what the third it, probably the phone jack? I dunno, I'll get around to looking one of these days.

[#] Mon Jun 27 2005 16:22:14 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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They probably moved your existing telephone line onto the fiber.

[#] Mon Jun 27 2005 17:11:12 EDT from the8088er @ Uncensored

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so they put this box at your house and ran 3 wires in your house, and you don't really know what they're for?

[#] Mon Jun 27 2005 21:52:06 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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http://www.alcatel.com/products/productsummary.jhtml?repositoryID=/x/opgproduct/a7340holt.jhtml

Here's the product literature for what I believe is the fiber termination device Verizon is using -- the Alcatel optical network terminal. The system appears to be a passive optical network (meaning there are no powered components on the poles -- only prism type splitters) that can serve up to 32 ONT's per strand. The ONT itself provides one 10/100 Ethernet port, one CATV feed, and four POTS lines.

At this point I'm guessing that Verizon moved Ford's phone line onto the ONT and reclaimed the old fiber pair. If you order VoIP from someone other than Verizon, it likely will mean that the POTS ports will all go unused.

[#] Mon Jun 27 2005 21:52:53 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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(sorry for the long URL, I used the "post this page to uncensored" button in my web browser)

[#] Tue Jun 28 2005 13:38:55 EDT from Ford II @ Uncensored

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I think everything you said was right except the part about movin the phone line.
Since I didn't order from verizon, the order from ace was just for data, the installer guys asked me why I didn't move my phone too, but I never asked verizon for anything, I only asked ace.
anyway, that sounds like it, one 10/100 4 phone and a catv. Big stupid ugly box.
I took a look this morning.
one of three wires is the ethernet jack.
one is the power supply. I.E. you plug this into the wall, it runs to the ONT box, which then runs back to box #2, the battery.
and the third line is the ethernet jack.

[#] Tue Jun 28 2005 19:07:02 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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I like that. That means you can order data-only fiber from Acecape and not worry about the physical circuit getting disconnected when you later move your phone to Acecape VoIP.

[#] Tue Jun 28 2005 19:15:49 EDT from Peter Pulse @ Uncensored

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Well, you lucky bastard! Sounds great. I'm paying more for less... But I'm still pretty happy with my service from acecape. I'm curious about the video connection and the protocols they're using. Surely it would make more sense to go with a pure packet switched video solution into a box made for the jobm than to try to pass the "frequency multiplexed" cable signal through the fiber somehow...

[#] Tue Jun 28 2005 20:12:20 EDT from Ragnar Danneskjold @ Uncensored

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I know their video on demand service is to be all IP. I don't know what their "cable tv" service will be.

[#] Wed Jun 29 2005 15:51:48 EDT from Ford II @ Uncensored

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I got another ad from verizon today.
it's $35 for 5 down 2 up, and $45 for 15 down 2 up.
not bad I think.

They said they haven't rolled out any video yet, they're still testing it somewhere, I think there's a few people out in the middle of nowhere who have it to see how it goes, but I think he said sometime late this year or next year for video.
they're going to be selling directtv.
their pitch (and it almost sounds like they were told exactly what to say) was that you get just what you get with satellite except it works during storms as well.

[#] Wed Jun 29 2005 15:52:37 EDT from Ford II @ Uncensored

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oh, and before you go counting me a lucky bastard, I haven't been able to get DSL ever before this.
So I've had dialup, and cablevision where I couldn't run servers or even get my own god damned mail.
So I paid in time. :-)

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