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[#] Sun Nov 02 2008 16:16:46 EST from Ragnar Danneskjold @ Uncensored

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Yup.... No doubt. Strong-armed by unions, and having abandoned the low end of the market to the Japanese has not been a smart strategy.

But don't say something silly like "no one is buying American".

[#] Sun Nov 02 2008 19:35:00 EST from flynnfx @ Uncensored

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All right - what I will say is this : If Ford, GM, and Chrysler continue the market course they have been doing, I predict they will not exist in 2020. 



[#] Sun Nov 02 2008 19:38:10 EST from Ragnar Danneskjold @ Uncensored

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Fair - but don't totally discount them either. Remember, things looked pretty bleak for the Big 3 in the late 70's and early 80's too.

GM has invested heavily in electric and hydrogen. Their hydrogen technology is far ahead of anyone elses.

[#] Mon Nov 03 2008 07:42:21 EST from Ford II @ Uncensored

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Ford : American cars are cheaper? Bullshit.

When was the last time a cobolt/cavalier/equivalent cost more than a civic?

[#] Mon Nov 03 2008 07:45:11 EST from Ford II @ Uncensored

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Yes, it is certainly possible they could pull something market grabbing out of their as.
ass.
THey've been kicking everybody's ass for a long time because they saw the market for SUV's (or perhaps created it) that took all the 'better' car companies years to catch up with. So who's better off? The better car companies or the ones who found/created a new niche and sold to it?

So the americans can yet come up with the next type of generation of car before the japanese or koreans, but it doesn't seem likely.

[#] Mon Nov 03 2008 08:40:10 EST from flynnfx @ Uncensored

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Civics may be more expensive than Cavaliers, but don't tell me

that American cars are cheaper than Japanese ones. 



[#] Mon Nov 03 2008 10:38:41 EST from Ragnar Danneskjold @ Uncensored

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In Europe, two of the three best selling cars are American. The Opel Astra (GM) and the Ford Focus.... Too bad bad union agreements prevent GM from bringing Opel's into the US.

In China, the biggest selling imported car is Buick.

And American cars do sell here in America.... The Chevy Malibu, Cobalt and Aveo as well as Pontiac's Vibe are all in the top 10 of sales.

This reminds me of the 1970's. Gas went up, consumers bought small cars.
Gas went down, they bought big ones. So, the cycle continues.

[#] Mon Nov 03 2008 14:15:34 EST from Ford II @ Uncensored

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I just heard a thing on the radio 10 minutes ago
gm small car sales dropped 47% last month and trucks down 52%, so they're going to start their red tag sales $8500 off 2008 and some 2009 models tomorrow.

[#] Mon Nov 03 2008 14:26:07 EST from Ragnar Danneskjold @ Uncensored

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I may have to buy a Suburban soon.

[#] Mon Nov 03 2008 14:34:42 EST from Ragnar Danneskjold @ Uncensored

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BTW, Ford sales are down 30% and Toyota's down 23%....

Toyota's cars were off 15% and trucks were down 34%.

[#] Mon Nov 03 2008 15:18:07 EST from Ford II @ Uncensored

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Maybe you can buy an excursion and they'll throw a suburban in for free. :-)

[#] Mon Nov 03 2008 15:18:50 EST from Ford II @ Uncensored

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heh, whoops, tha's ford, sorry I got my behemoths mixed up.

[#] Mon Nov 03 2008 16:43:41 EST from athos-mn @ Uncensored

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Opel's are being sold in the US - they're being rebranded as Saturns. The Astra is here already, as is I think another model.
Mon Nov 03 2008 10:38:41 EST from Ragnar Danneskjold@uncnsrd

In Europe, two of the three best selling cars are American. The Opel Astra (GM) and the Ford Focus.... Too bad bad union agreements prevent GM from bringing Opel's into the US.

In China, the biggest selling imported car is Buick.

And American cars do sell here in America.... The Chevy Malibu, Cobalt and Aveo as well as Pontiac's Vibe are all in the top 10 of sales.

This reminds me of the 1970's. Gas went up, consumers bought small cars.
Gas went down, they bought big ones. So, the cycle continues.


[#] Wed Nov 05 2008 22:18:49 EST from the8088er @ Uncensored

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Okay, so I spent seven hours today working on a 2000 Dodge Grand Caravan.


He ran the right side into a curb and screwed up the motor mounts, half shaft on the passenger side, and broke the plastic power steering pump pulley which also made the serpentine belt come off.

I spent a few hours getting the half shaft off which was came apart at a joint. Got it out of the transmission and with a lot of torque i got it off of the wheel and got a replacment. I got the replacment stabbed into the transmission but I need to clear the wheel to stab it into the wheel. Took the brake caliper off and i just really need to remove the ball joint to swing the wheel out to put the half shaft in. Took the steering rod off too. Anyone ever done this to one of these and know a good way to compress the spring to take the tension off the ball joint? Maybe someone has a service manual?

I don't have a spring compressor.


Thanks!

[#] Wed Nov 05 2008 23:13:32 EST from LoanShark @ Uncensored

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You need a spring compressor and you need to know the standard procedure... my Dad nearly killed himself once when he screwed it up. There's a lot of stored energy in those springs.

[#] Wed Nov 05 2008 23:22:58 EST from flynnfx @ Uncensored

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Ragnar sez : 

>>>>>>>>>> 

In Europe, two of the three best selling cars are American. The Opel Astra (GM) and the Ford Focus.... Too bad bad union agreements prevent GM from bringing Opel's into the US. 

In China, the biggest selling imported car is Buick. 

And American cars do sell here in America.... The Chevy Malibu, Cobalt and Aveo as well as Pontiac's Vibe are all in the top 10 of sales. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>

 

Sorry, Ragnar, the reality is two of the best selling cars in Europe are European. Peugot at top, #2 spot by VW, then Ford.

http://cars.uk.msn.com/News/Top_ten_article.aspx?cp-documentid=7319152 

 

Sorry, Ragnar, then reality is in China, the biggest selling imported car is VW, then VW at #2, then Hyundai at #3, then Buick at #4.

http://www.chinacartimes.com/2008/02/25/best-selling-cars-in-january-2008/

(Mind you, I could only find the stats for this month, if you can show me different, I'll concede.)

 

American cars do sell in America, however, they are not in the top 10. Those models you listed, the Malibu, Cobalt and Aveo, the Malibu and 

Cobalt are in the top TWENTY, and the Aveo isn't even listed in the top 20 models sold in the USA.

In the top 10? For cars, Camry, Accord, Civic, Corolla, Altima. GM alone cracks the top 10, with the Impala being the only North American car for top sales in the top 10.

http://www.theautochannel.com/news/2008/06/04/088884.html

 

 

 

 



[#] Wed Nov 05 2008 23:37:42 EST from the8088er @ Uncensored

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You need a spring compressor and you need to know the standard
procedure... my Dad nearly killed himself once when he screwed it up.

There's a lot of stored energy in those springs.

yep. I've been very careful in my attempts but i can see the hazard. Apparently I can remove the control arm first then the ball joint with the wheel hanging from the shock tower, stab it and put it back that way by putting the rear bolts into the control arm, attaching the ball joint, then jacking up the ball joint to line up the bolt holes for the wheel end of the control arm.

Or at least that is how it was described to me just moments ago. I really need to look at the vehicle though. Rest assured I know I'm dealing with a spring that provides the counterforce to a two ton vehicle. You bet I'm being cautious.

[#] Thu Nov 06 2008 08:03:51 EST from Ragnar Danneskjold @ Uncensored

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I'm not going to bother posting and reposting countering stats.... Spend more than ten seconds, and you'll see that the car / truck sales stats vary wildly depending on which site you're looking at.... Is it for the month, the quarter, the year, etc....


[#] Thu Nov 06 2008 15:33:30 EST from Ford II @ Uncensored

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wheel. Took the brake caliper off and i just really need to remove the

ball joint to swing the wheel out to put the half shaft in. Took the
steering rod off too. Anyone ever done this to one of these and know a

good way to compress the spring to take the tension off the ball joint?

Maybe someone has a service manual?

a) instead of taking off the ball joint which might be pressed in, you can try taking the bottom of the strut out of the housing on the wheel hub thing, you might then be able to pull (lean) the wheel hub out far enough to clear the room you need to get the driveshaft in.
From what I've played with ball joints they're no fun, and the strut angle is easier, except, you still need a spring compressor. They're like $40 and they're handy. pick up a pair.
There's no way you can get the wheel away from the shaft enough to get it in without freeing up tension on something that the spring is pushing against, and you're going to have to recompress it at some point.
If you want to be REALLY REALLY unsafe, you can try using the car's weight to compess the sprint. Lower the car down on the jack onto something that pushes the sprint up.
spring up.
But I tell you, you don't want to be in the room when that contrapstion snaps apart.

[#] Thu Nov 06 2008 15:35:08 EST from Ford II @ Uncensored

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You need a spring compressor and you need to know the standard
procedure... my Dad nearly killed himself once when he screwed it up.

There's a lot of stored energy in those springs.

MEE TOO MEE TOO!!!! I was 2 threads away from shooting a top bolt through my face wondering "why is the bolt on so tight?" and I eventually realized I had forgotten to put the spring compressors on. When I had that eureka moment, I ran away from the thing afraid it was going to explode, and seconds before I staring at it like looking down the barrel of a gun.
Instant death, no question.

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