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[#] Mon Jun 20 2005 13:41:17 EDT from triLcat @ Uncensored

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donno. my sis has 4 kids, no minivan.

my brother has 4 kids, no minivan.

they have station wagons.

oldest brother has a van.

doesn't give him much cargo room. but he's got 6 kids, so short of a bus, there's gonna be a cargo room issue

plus, we were 5 kids, and we had a station wagon. when we went on vacations we used a car-top-carrier thing. rest of the time, we managed okay.



[#] Mon Jun 20 2005 13:58:41 EDT from Ford II @ Uncensored

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Seat _is_ a Fiat, made in Spain.

I rather thought it was a VW made in spain. Certainly didn't act, feel or drive like a fiat.
Certainly did act feel and drive like a VW.

[#] Mon Jun 20 2005 14:04:24 EDT from Ian M. Shot @ Haven BBS

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Lets see, Child, check. Pack and Play, check. Diaper Bag, Check. Clothes for twice as many days as we are going to be gone, check. Diapers, check.
Stroller, check. Blankie, pillow, check. Our stuff, check.

Now as they get older it gets to be less, sort of. Clothes for all, check.
Second sets for child, check. Bike, check. A few toys for rainy days inside, check.

[#] Mon Jun 20 2005 16:25:13 EDT from curly surmudgeon @ Dog Pound BBS II

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Ford: Dunno how much Seat has diverged from Fiat over the years but at one time Seat was either wholely owned or were the major partner in Seat. This was back about 20 years ago when Fiat was on an expansion kick opening huge plants in both Spain and Russia.

http://www.seat.com/com/generator/su/com/SEAT/site/main,templateId=main,lang=e n.html

[#] Mon Jun 20 2005 16:17:59 EDT from girthta @ Uncensored

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triL- I LIKE minivans. I'm not sure why you think they're gas guzzlers? They are waaaaaay more economical than many other cars on the road. Mine is more gas efficient than my station wagon I had before it.

I like the minivan. It's way easy to get Noodle in and out of the thing. I like feeling UP over everything so I can see everything around me (maybe 'cause I'm short). And I do end up toting lots of stuff and kids and adults. We go places with other families and it's nice to be able to stick everyone int he minivan and go w/o being squished into a vehicle like a sardine.

They are also some of the safest vehicles on the road. A big plus when you have IDIOTS IN SUVS everywhere.

I, personally, have no problems driving or parking (including parallel parking) my minivan damned near anywhere. Maybe I can't fit it into the same places Mr Bean and cram his car into, but I can and do park it in any normal parking space.

Just 'cause YOU can't drive, don't diss my minivan!

[#] Mon Jun 20 2005 16:52:06 EDT from Peter Pulse @ Uncensored

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I love my SUV. But, it IS a gas guzzler. About 18 mpg.

[#] Mon Jun 20 2005 17:40:17 EDT from 2Dog @ Uncensored

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quote: "I, personally, have no problems driving or parking (including parallel parking) my minivan damned near anywhere"

Girthta, I'm with you on that one. I could put that Caravan *anywhere* it could physically fit. Damn sure awed some people with my parking lot manuevers; and never a scratch on mine or anyone elses'. (Personally I think Rowan Atkisson was studying *me*) :^)



[#] Mon Jun 20 2005 21:38:17 EDT from Ygorl @ Uncensored

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Minivan drivers suck, but they're marginally less sucky than SUV drivers.

[#] Mon Jun 20 2005 21:42:01 EDT from Peter Pulse @ Uncensored

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That's right. So if you want to live, stay out of my way.

[#] Mon Jun 20 2005 21:59:30 EDT from Ragnar Danneskjold @ Uncensored

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Ford:

There's no doubt that American cars pretty much sucked from the mid-70's through the 80's. But starting in the early 90's they really started to make a comeback.

As I said, the last few American cars I've had have been great. No problems at all. Great fit and finish, no rattles, etc.

And don't count GM out so quick.... They control 26% of the automobile market.
They are the largest selling car company in the world. In every market they're in, they are number one. Even China. The most popular foreign car in China is made by Buick.

I do think that GM hasn't done a great job with the low end vehicles and all but given the market to the Japanese.... But once you get over $25k, they're certainly competitive.

[#] Mon Jun 20 2005 22:30:19 EDT from 2Dog @ Uncensored

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quote: "Minivan drivers suck, but they're marginally less sucky than SUV drivers."

Hee, maybe so in general, but I could still park better than you do. "How 'bout it Girthta, wanna do a demo-derby with Ygorl?" :^)

(said in good fun only, of course) :)

[#] Mon Jun 20 2005 22:44:20 EDT from Ygorl @ Uncensored

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Parking is one of the very least important aspects of driving, so I've never placed all that much emphasis on it.

How about we make the contest interesting and see who's better at weaving through four lanes of bumper-to-bumper traffic at 85 MPH?

[#] Mon Jun 20 2005 23:01:01 EDT from girthta @ Uncensored

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Ygorl- if that's the way you drive, minivan drivers aren't the ones on the road sucking.

[#] Mon Jun 20 2005 23:57:27 EDT from curly surmudgeon @ Dog Pound BBS II

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Sucking on the highway makes anyone a bad driver.

[#] Tue Jun 21 2005 02:09:26 EDT from Ygorl @ Uncensored

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girthta: All the more reason to get out of my way!

[#] Tue Jun 21 2005 09:01:46 EDT from girthta @ Uncensored

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Oh, I do! And I drive right past the wreck you idiots create on my way to my destination... nice and safe.

[#] Tue Jun 21 2005 10:23:53 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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Fortunately you're living on opposite sides of the continent.

[#] Tue Jun 21 2005 10:29:17 EDT from Ford II @ Uncensored

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And don't count GM out so quick.... They control 26% of the
automobile market. They are the largest selling car company in the

actaully I thought I heard that this year toyota outsold gm, but don't quote me on that.

[#] Tue Jun 21 2005 10:29:51 EDT from Ford II @ Uncensored

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How about we make the contest interesting and see who's better at
weaving through four lanes of bumper-to-bumper traffic at 85 MPH?

you're on.

[#] Tue Jun 21 2005 10:41:01 EDT from wizard of aahz @ Uncensored

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I don't weave through traffic unless I absolutely have to. Hate that kind of behaviour.. But give me an empty road and whhhhhhhheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!

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