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[#] Sun Oct 06 2013 17:34:31 EDT from vince-q @ Cascade Lodge BBS

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1. We made an offer on another house that was accepted, and now we may

lose this house because we need to sell ours in order to get under

2. Interest rates are on their way back up.

Really I just want this whole ordeal over with.

1. There's a reason for everything that happens during a "deal gone bad" that, in the end, works to your advantage. Do not get discouraged. The sale that went bad simply "was not supposed to happen." Many possible reasons. All of them good (for you) believe it or not. Yes, you are pissed. Yes, you are discouraged. And yes, you are sincerely disappointed. Welcome to the World of Real Estate.

2. Interest rates are on their way up, but viewed in the Over All Scheme Of Things they are still at historic lows and will remain there for the next couple of years. And... more important... prices are going up. Bottom line? You may not get the house you wanted right now. You will end up selling your house, and my hunch it will be for ****significantly**** more money than the now-gone first "buyer" was going to pay.

Old Saying from Realtor Friend Back East: BUYERS ARE LIARS.
Remember that for next time. Believe *nothing* that is not in writing, and only believe what's in writing once you have their deposit money in hand (actually "in escrow").

Sit back.
Have a Scotch.
Watch some football.
Go to the track and play a few horsies.
Take in a play/musical/opera/whatever.
Enjoy life. There's much more to it than selling/buying a house.

[#] Mon Oct 07 2013 12:17:13 EDT from zooer @ Uncensored

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A month or two ago my sister moved into a new place and purchased a new washer and dryer at Sears. I may have
mentioned it I am not sure. It was a Sunday only deal and things went well and the install went well.

My mother's laundry room is fine for a top loading washer but the sink does not allow a front loading washer.
For some reason when she purchased a LG washer and dryer set she went with a front loader and had the dryer
stacked on top of the washer. She liked the extra floor space the stacking provided in the wash room and she
used the extra floor space for various things including the cat's litter box. My mother's LG washer which was
repaired once before started leaking after eight plus years and she decided to purchase another set.

I went with my mother to a local appliance store and to Sears. Local is nice but more expensive, they do have
their own installers and it
is local. Sears had a sale on a set she liked, it was cheaper than the other store,
and there was a few more features she liked. She ordered the set and a stacking kit. We asked the salesman
several things:
"Can we use the current hoses that are less than three years old and can we use our current six foot dryer
cord?" The dryer cord question is important, it will come up later. The answer was no, it had to be purchased
new because of the warranty. We explained that the dryer outlet is on the floor and we would need a six foot

We asked if they had their own installers or used contractors. The salesman said the installers work for

We asked if there was a pickup charge for the old equipment. The salesman said it was included.

The problems began after the transaction. On the receipt there is a separate charge for pickup. It was only ten
dollars but it wasn't
included as stated.

When the installers got to my mother's house five days later they explained they didn't work for Sears they were
contractors. They were also from out of town. The installers were fantastic, they worked quick, worked hard
and went above and beyond.

Then they told us that the dryer cord *we had* to purchase was too short and they don't carry a six foot cord on
the truck. The old equipment was out of the house, the new equipment was in place but there was no dryer cord.
My mother went around with the installer's boss for a bit, he wanted to help. My mother was told we could buy
our own cord and pay for an electrician to come back and install it. We were told we could use the cord from the
old machine. Both of these we were told at the time of sale would void the warranty. The installer company
said they would have the Sears salesman call my mother. She told
the installers to put the units back on the
truck and she would not accept delivery. Once they are in your house you are F@#$ if you try to resolve a
problem. The installers left with the new equipment and per our request left the old washer and dryer in the

The sales person got around to calling my mother an hour and a half later, and told us that we could always buy
a cord "somewhere" and have someone install it. Again, he told us in the store this would void the warranty.
My mother explained she wanted to know what he was going to do to resolve the situation as she sent the set back
with the installers. He loudly asked, "YOU WHAT!???!" When my mother explained she sent the units back the
salesman hung up on her. We never heard a thing from Sears after this. No one called, no one tried to do

My mother went back to the store the original sales person
had the day off and she was told by another
salesperson that the store does not processes refunds and she would have to call a phone number to get a refund.
When she called the first person had to connect us to someone else. After getting connected the next person
this person said in a heavy accent, "You can always buy your own cord and have a professional install it." This
is starting to irritate my mother. She said she has been inconvenienced, she had to go to the laundromat and it
has been a hassle. They said they would give her a $25 gift card. So my mother would have to purchase another
cord, pay for professional installation, and she spent $15 at the laundromat they were going to give her $25 for
her trouble. She explained she wanted a refund. They said it takes a few days to process.

She went back over to the locally owned store and purchased a different set than she
was looking at originally
and a different set then she wanted to purchase at Sears. It was installed this morning. At the time of the
sale the sales person said the local company keeps all sizes of cords, hoses and accessories on the truck so
they have it in case they need it. They explained there is a higher charge for the six foot cord and will only
be used if needed.

Sears is now on our shit list. Sears may not be around for much longer as it is. My parents had problems with
Ford in the 70s, no one in the family will go near a Ford product.

On a side not the installer said that a lot of the LG equipment has had problems lately but he didn't say much
else. The problem is so many companies own other companies you don't know who makes who anymore.

[#] Mon Oct 07 2013 13:51:23 EDT from vince-q @ Cascade Lodge BBS

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Sears has been on my shit list since 2004.

In April 2004 I went into the hospital after being diagnosed with a "unilateral spontaneous pneumothorax" (collapsed lung). To make a long hospital story short, it took 12 days in-hospital and surgery for them to finally fix it. They did a great job.

About 2 weeks after I got home I got my monthly bill for my Sears credit card, along with a late fee for the previous month which did not get paid because I was in the hospital (see previous paragraph).

I called Sears; got a complete runaround from some In New Delhi Hindu, I hung up.
I went into town and visited my local Sears store. Got a complete runaround from the 'droid in Customer "Service" and so I left.

I waited.
And then I wrote a certified letter to Sears (the address on the credit card bill for disputes etc.) in which I outlined my position as described above - I was only asking for removal of the late fee and a written statement that Sears would not report the late payment to any credit bureau and would remove any "derogatory" report they may have already filed.

I waited.
And heard nothing.
For about 6 weeks.
Then I got a Collection Telephone Call.

I immediately asked to speak to a supervisor, went over the entire situation wth the supervisor, proceeded to get Yet Another RunAround.

I told the supervisor that they, Sears, and anyone related to either of those, could go fuck themselves. That not only was I not paying the late fee, that I was not paying on the account, ever again, and that "you know where I live, sue me." And if you DARE report any of this to any credit agency I will happily sue you in my Friendly Local Superior Court and make you pay about ten times more in court costs and fees, etc. etc .etc.

Not one word made it to the credit report. Other than the one "late" that was already there.

I also told them that I wanted a written apology for what they had said 4 weeks ago.
Oh? Forgot to mention that up above.
One of the 'droids in my initial contact on this issue said "it isn't Sears' fault you were in the hospital, that's just a fucking shame" and yes, that pissed me off beyond description. Fucking shame??

Fuck Sears.

They're going under.
Exactly what they deserve.
Completely predictable.
And a complete tragedy.

They indeed used to be "where America shops" and a cherished memory from my (now) far distant childhood.

From the days when it was Sears & Roebuck. Remember that?? I do. Fondly.

[#] Mon Oct 07 2013 13:52:29 EDT from vince-q @ Cascade Lodge BBS

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Slight correction --- that was all in 2005, not 2004.

[#] Mon Oct 07 2013 17:10:27 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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Well duh ... Sears is now part of K-Mart. Seems reasonable to expect a gradual downhill slide.

On the other hand, I know of nowhere else where you can punch your appliance model number into a web site and get an exploded diagram of all the parts so you can order just what you need to fix it yourself.

[#] Mon Oct 07 2013 21:51:09 EDT from LoanShark @ Uncensored

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Sears is now on our shit list. Sears may not be around for much longer
as it is. My parents had problems with
Ford in the 70s, no one in the family will go near a Ford product.

My dad once picketed outside Sears with a sign reading "DO NOT BUY SEARS TIRES"

So we are familiar with their run-around. I wish I could say that this act magically cleared up their warranty service, but I don't really remember more details...

[#] Mon Oct 07 2013 22:01:10 EDT from Sig @ Uncensored

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Sears is now on our shit list. Sears may not be around for much longer
as it is. My parents had problems with
Ford in the 70s, no one in the family will go near a Ford product.

Wow. Y'all know how to hold a grudge.

[#] Mon Oct 07 2013 23:49:26 EDT from vince-q @ Cascade Lodge BBS

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Wow. Y'all know how to hold a grudge.

I'm Italian. 100%.
It's part of the heritage!

[#] Tue Oct 08 2013 13:35:14 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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Is that where it comes from? And I thought I just had an anger management issue.

[#] Tue Oct 08 2013 21:57:31 EDT from vince-q @ Uncensored

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Heh - no.
Most 'talians don't view that as an "anger management issue" but as just another tool for controlling the multitude.

Better than the Old Way (just putting out a contract...).

[#] Sat Oct 26 2013 10:48:56 EDT from vince-q @ Cascade Lodge BBS

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The brisk snap of early morning is in the air.
Almost time.

There's a Bagel with all this Good Stuff on its outer surface.
They, not knowing much, call it the Everything Bagel.

It's good. Tasty. Not very traditional.
But good.

And there's a good slab of onion.
And several pieces of Nova Lox (as if there's any other sort of Lox).
And some chunks of bell pepper (didn't know bells made peppers?).

And all this is getting put together for 8 AM.
About 15 minutes.
Breakfast From Heaven!

OY !!

[#] Sat Oct 26 2013 14:19:59 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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No schmear?

[#] Sat Oct 26 2013 17:36:11 EDT from vince-q @ Cascade Lodge BBS

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Sat Oct 26 2013 11:19:59 PDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored
No schmear?

That's taken for granted. Not a bagel worth eating without it.  ;)

[#] Tue Nov 19 2013 13:14:17 EST from the_mgt @ Uncensored

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You need special cords for dryers?

[#] Tue Nov 19 2013 13:34:24 EST from zooer @ Uncensored

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A three or four prong heavy guage 220 cord. And it is imporant that you get a new cord each time, and it is an
extra, it doesn't come with the machine you have to buy it and you can't use the old cord.

[#] Tue Nov 19 2013 17:49:22 EST from the_mgt @ Uncensored

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Ah, yes, you normally operate on a grid voltage easily achieved by rubbing a balloon to your pets fur, I forgot.

Tell you what, here in 240V land, we dare to use simple cords directly attached to the dryer. They look exactly like the ones for the washing machine, in fact, they are made of the exact same stuff. And now the best thing: They can use the same wall socekt as every other gear here, be it a desktop pc, gaming console, hair dryer, coffee machine, iron or TV. And we do not need a special technician to plug them in. :D

Only thing you need an electrician for would be your oven in the kitchen.

And no guarantee voids here if you do it yourself (properly).

[#] Wed Nov 20 2013 07:51:36 EST from Freakdog @ Dog Pound BBS II

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Tue Nov 19 2013 01:34:24 PM EST from zooer @ Uncensored
A three or four prong heavy guage 220 cord. And it is imporant that you get a new cord each time, and it is an
extra, it doesn't come with the machine you have to buy it and you can't use the old cord.

Why can't you use the old cord? If it's in good enough shape (no fraying where the wires insert into the screw blocks, no cracking/breaking/damage to the insulation), why wouldn't it be reusable?

[#] Wed Nov 20 2013 08:59:44 EST from the_mgt @ Uncensored

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The cord has to be properly initiated and needs to be tuned into sync with the new dryer. The old cord is out of sync, the dryer notices and the guarantee is void...

[#] Wed Nov 20 2013 09:07:00 EST from Freakdog @ Dog Pound BBS II

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Wed Nov 20 2013 08:59:44 AM EST from the_mgt @ Uncensored

The cord has to be properly initiated and needs to be tuned into sync with the new dryer. The old cord is out of sync, the dryer notices and the guarantee is void...

I'm going to claim incredulity and ask "WTH does that mean?"

How is the cord "out of sync"? I have never been sold, by any store where I've purchased a 220v appliance (dryer or stove/oven/range), a cord that was specific to a particular brand/model of dryer. They're generic on the bare wire end, and specific only on the end that plugs into the actual power source.

[#] Wed Nov 20 2013 09:18:44 EST from the_mgt @ Uncensored

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Just making fun of your medieval / 3rd world power grid, because I do not understand the mandatory change either. In theory, there is little chance it gets physically damaged while being installed behind some dryer. If no physical damage is visible and the ends match, it should be perfectly reusable.

Ovens in germany need a special cord and the end you screw to the wall socket needs "cable shoes", whatever they are called in english. In theory you need an electrician for that, but only man who sit down to pee actually would call an electrician.

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