Ragnar: What I'm getting at is the original builder is supposed to provide a load capability for the stud wall so occupants know what the wall can stand without falling over or pulling the plaster board off the wall. Most normal people can't understand (probably never even seen it) what it means so they do something totaly inappropriate and it pulls the plaster board off. Then they get someone in to fix that and that someone covers their ass by telling them not to hang anything at all on a stud wall. The myth grows and grows. Plasterboard has quite a high load bearing capability but you must use the correct fixings (which I'm sure you're aware of). There is a maximum these fixings can handle after which one needs a sheet of ply behind the plaster board to spread the load hence the building regs bit. I don't know the figures as it depends on various things like quality of plaster board, spacing between studs etc.
Obviously if one finds the studs and attaches to them for shelving the load bearing is higher but still there is a limit before the stud starts to move. UK stud walss are built as more of an after thought where American stud walls are, I believe, more integrated into the build and hence more strucural.
As an extreme example, if you knock down a stud wall in a UK house the ceiling will remain and nothing falls down. In an American house (correct me if I'm wrong you American people) the roof could come in on you.
I recently heard a story about a wealthy Russian who bought a house in Greenwich, Connecticuit, who on inspection of the house was shocked to see wood studs.
He's having the house knocked down and built "properly".
The non-bearing walls can be safely ripped out, windows cut in them etc.
The bearing walls have to be handled more carefully or your house will get screwed up or come down on you.
I wrote a lengthy explanation on stud walls in the uk and then citadel boomed I think.
Anyway I can't be bothered to re write it all so suffice it to say it is ok to hang stuff on a stud wall if you use the correct fixings etc but UK stud walls are not as structural as American ones and probably can't handle as much load.
Jul 17 2007 3:29pm from davew @uncnsrd
TriLcat: oh yes, forgot about that wimpy power supply they have. 3
phase at 240 there I think as well. Real men have 415 8-!
yes. (good thing i don't worry about a real man.)
I think something happened to citadel at the time of posting. My browser never refreshed. I think IG may have updated for the sieve bug that just crept in.
As the browser didn't refresh I went to a new room which didn't work either for a while but it would have marked the messages in this room as read, depending on where things were in the cycle etc and I never thought to check the read messages as its a bit laborious, selecting display old messages, waiting for refresh, selecting the newest form the list box and waiting for the refresh again.
Just this recent discussion above about power differences between countries makes me wonder why on earth can be not have one power level stndard for the planet. What works in Britain, works in Canada, works in US works in Russia, works in Japan. Why not?
Same deal with TV - why not have one universal standard. I don't see it being that difficult.
Voltage, PAL vs. NTSC, our cell network vs. GSM, etc. etc.
But as Ragnar said, other countries had the chance to make improvements.
Many times I wish that the USA was on a 220V standard.
Do you really need all the hardware just to run a few lightbulbs?
Granted edison didn't forsee the window air conditioner or likely the electric dryer or dishwasher, but is two phase 110 so bad? I'm not the elctrician,I really dunno.
I presume there's some rule about how much wire insulation you need to run a cable with two strands at 220v without arcing? Seems to me that 110v has saved millions of tons of wiring insulation...
I'm told 16 inch to center walls can support 3 stories without blinking. I would still worry about adding another story to my house, but I'm told that's how it works.
The problem with making your house out of stone as I gather they do in europe/uk/india is that while it may never burn down, the cost of a house is astronomical at minimum.
Nowadays you can buy a prefab house in 2-3 pieces, they truck the parts to your plot of land and in two days, voila house.
Correction from above: private dwelling houses tend to be made of wood, but group homes like condos nowadays tend to be built out of these insanely crappy metal studs.
I always wonder how you're supposed to mount anything to them.
That seems viable, especially if wood is sparse in Israel. Not a lot of forests ??
to run a cable with two strands at 220v without arcing? Seems to me
that 110v has saved millions of tons of wiring insulation...
Conserving copper is bigger win than conserving insulation. Double the voltage means half the copper.