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[#] Mon Jun 04 2007 07:57:59 EDT from Ragnar Danneskjold @ Uncensored

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Honestly, it's just a more sensitive upstream circuit breaker....

[#] Mon Jun 04 2007 08:41:16 EDT from D'oh @ Uncensored

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I plan to have an electrician take care of the power.  I have also found a few sites mentioning close to the situation I have (mosly bbs sites)

The hot water I think will be easiest.  I have a hot spigot in the basement, under the dishwasher site I plan to use directly to the dishwasher.   Well, not exactly under, but I will extend it ~3 feet closer.  Then add a new valve and attach the braided hose there (using a 60" or 72" hose) 

The drain I'm still wrestling with.  There is a capped T in the basement (I think the washer used to go overhead to that T.  I've seen most dishwashers use an air-gap.  I'd have to see if that would fit by the "T".  I could in theory run that hose under the floor up to the sink, then use a normal sink attachment, but  that would probably add 3-4 feet onto the hose.  I do at least want to measure that one, because I don't want to go over 10' for the discharge hose.



[#] Mon Jun 04 2007 09:01:46 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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Running a braided hose between floors is probably a building code violation.

[#] Mon Jun 04 2007 09:40:09 EDT from Peter Pulse @ Uncensored

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A (traditional) circuit breaker, GFCI, and AFCI are testing for three unique circuit faults. The traditional breaker (or fuse) tests for current flow exceeding the capacity of the circuit, preventing overheating of the circuit.
So if you have a short circuit, that will protect you. The GFCI detects leakage to ground by comparing current flowing in the hot wire with current flowing in the neutral wire. If these don't match, even by a little bit, then the current must be going somewhere else.. to ground. Like for example, through a person holding a hair dryer on a wet floor. The current flow is well below the circuit capacity, so a regular breaker would never trip. The AFCI detects arcing (a bad connection) which would not trip a regular breaker nor a GFCI. I think it works by detecting (relatively) high frequency noise on the line.

So each of these three things protects against a different kind of fault that the other wouldn't detect. But there are combined units.. a GFCI circuit breaker protects against overcurrent and ground fault.
Eventually I guess they will have circuit breaker sized units that combine all three functions.. if they can make it fit.

[#] Mon Jun 04 2007 20:53:24 EDT from D'oh @ Uncensored

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Mon 04 Jun 2007 09:01:46 AM EDT from IGnatius T Foobar@uncnsrd

Running a braided hose between floors is probably a building code violation.
Probably -- It shouldn't take that much more to extend the pipes up through the floor.  Still struggling with what to do with the drain hose.  It has to have an air gap of some sort to prevent backflow.  If I go under the floor to the sink it may be over 10 feet.  I'm afraid the dishwasher may not have a strong enough pump to go over 10 feet.


[#] Tue Jun 05 2007 00:54:23 EDT from Ladyhawke @ Uncensored

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Sun 03 Jun 2007 11:33:19 PM EDT from IGnatius T Foobar@uncnsrd

Ground Fault Circuit Interruptor. You've seen them -- they have a red "Test" and black "Reset" button on them. They shut the power off in the event of any electricity flowing to ground. In practice this means that if electricity and water come into contact with each other, it'll shut off; for example, if you drop your hair dryer in the tub, or if your dishwasher malfunctions and spews water on the electric part of the appliance, etc.
Got it - thanks, guys!


[#] Wed Jun 06 2007 13:35:46 EDT from the8088er @ Uncensored

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I really hate GCFI outlets. We used to live in a badly wired mobile home where the outlet in my room nearest the bathroom was on a GCFI circuit. They're way too sensitive. It would always just rnadomly trip. I think I had some malfunctioning equipment plugged into it but gah.

[#] Wed Jun 06 2007 15:00:39 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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The guy who installed the air pump in our septic tank said the same thing.
When I told him I'd be putting in a new outlet for the pump, he specified *no* GFCI for just that reason -- too many false trips.

Speaking of which, we just had the first annual maintenance for our septic since we had the new "White Knight" system installed last year. This thing really works!! The water level in the tank is right where it should be, at the level of the outlet baffle (before, it was filled to the top and failing to the surface), and the effluent is translucent (in a conventional system it's pitch black due to incomplete treatment). At this point I would definitely recommend it to anyone who's having trouble with their septic.

[#] Wed Jun 06 2007 16:30:54 EDT from Ford II @ Uncensored

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I'm glad I have town sewer. It sounds like an aweful lot of headaches.
Then again I'm guessing my town taxes are more than yours as a result.

[#] Wed Jun 06 2007 16:42:01 EDT from Ragnar Danneskjold @ Uncensored

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I bet you've got more industry offsetting your taxes than IG does up in God's country.

[#] Wed Jun 06 2007 17:05:55 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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Ah, but just you wait! AFTER THE COLLAPSE, my "off the grid" septic will still be working, but your sewer pipes will be used as a means for THE BIG GOVERNMENT MOLES TO CRAWL INTO YOUR HOUSE!!!

(Sorry. Survivalist nonsense is done now. Brain is back online. Resume your happy day.)

[#] Thu Jun 07 2007 12:26:52 EDT from Ford II @ Uncensored

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If something comes crawling out of my toilet, I will have no reservations about making it's life miserable before I kill it.

[#] Mon Jun 11 2007 03:17:56 EDT from 2Dog @ Uncensored

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The whole septic thing is full of crap.
I was renting a house once that had a septic system and roots grew into
the clay pipe. Yes!, clay pipe! Beat the shit out of me at the time. A good dose of copper sulphate cleared that all up though, but I still had to
call in the tanker truck to suck out the tank.
(yes, I know... this post really stinks)

[#] Mon Jun 11 2007 09:44:29 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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The previous owner of our home abandoned the clay pipes after they were hopelessly plugged up. By the time we had that area of the field dug up (last year), the ground around them had been naturally cleaned up to the point where we were able to have a new galley installed in that location.


[#] Mon Jun 11 2007 17:02:14 EDT from the8088er @ Uncensored

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Where/how can I get a freon license? Or where can I buy freon from that doesn't care if I have a license?

We just paid nearly 100 dollars for the anual charge-it-up of our central AC.

[#] Mon Jun 11 2007 17:46:48 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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The obvious answer is that if you're recharging your AC with new refrigerant every year, there is something wrong with it. Depending on the size of the system, even a full replacement would pay for itself in a couple of years.

If you're really looking to become legally certified to deal with Freon, you need to obtain an EPA Section 608 certification. Obtaining the stuff isn't what they're really concerned with. You have to prove to them that you are capable of capturing and recycling the stuff when discharging a system (as opposed to venting it into the atmosphere).

You have to take a test with an EPA-approved certifying organization, and that costs money. So basically you're not saving any money on DIY here unless you actually intend to go into the HVAC service business.

When I installed my system, I got around this problem by buying a system that was pre-charged. Basically they pump a whole lot of refrigerant into the compressor and condenser coil.
Actually they put too much in, so when you open up the valves it fills the rest of the system and the pressure is about right. With a pre-charged system you only need to evacuate the lines. This requires a vacuum pump, which I was able to borrow from the facilities group at my office. The pump has a built-in meter to check for leaks. After the lines are evacuated and tested, then you open the valves and let the refrigerant in.

For a "big" central system though, you probably won't be able to find one pre-charged. Mine is a "mini split" system.

[#] Tue Jun 12 2007 15:53:48 EDT from Ford II @ Uncensored

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Almost done. I was saddened to fin dout I was short 2 piece of wood:
nyti.dyn.ee:81/gazebo/gazebo.html

[#] Wed Jun 13 2007 03:25:38 EDT from harry @ PixelBBS

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Looks nice, Ford.


[#] Wed Jun 13 2007 09:55:27 EDT from Ford II @ Uncensored

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the best part? I hate a bunch of lumber left over, I took it to the lumberyard and they took it all back. Minus a small handling fee because I've had it, for... oh about a year now...

[#] Wed Jun 13 2007 16:40:37 EDT from 2Dog @ Uncensored

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That's pretty cool. I like places that do that. It keeps me a returning customer.
The reality is that if the lumber is not all rocking-chair-shaped and in good condition
they'll resale it again at close to full value. But it's not a total loss for you! :^)

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