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[#] Wed Dec 06 2006 02:07:10 EST from triLcat @ Uncensored

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Whizzer of Ooze: I don't think *nadia* is the one who needs cold showers.

[#] Wed Dec 06 2006 08:59:53 EST from wizard of aahz @ Uncensored

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nadia can speak quite well for herself. you can go dog someone else.

[#] Wed Dec 06 2006 16:59:09 EST from nadia @ Uncensored

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never fear, one of our bathrooms is not affected.

ig: bought, not rent, and no, the gas is not included in the maintenance. the developer had the other hot water heater turned on yesterday, which we're not paying for the gas for. he seems like a nice enough guy but his people are kind of slow. matt compared the guy at the management company to the mall manager in the boy-band episode of south park.

[#] Fri Dec 08 2006 12:16:18 EST from athos-mn @ Uncensored

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You should have moved next to Ahhz, but you'd be too far from work.

[#] Fri Dec 08 2006 12:36:19 EST from wizard of aahz @ Uncensored

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While reading the manual for Civilization Rome (great game, I've already finished it though) I ran across this line...

"... This is useful if your citizens cannot get to a certain building to fulfill a need or are travelling too far to gather goods. This is also useful if you want to position a household closer to their job..."

I never before yelled "fucker" at a manual.

[#] Fri Dec 08 2006 12:46:47 EST from fleeb @ Uncensored

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[#] Fri Dec 08 2006 15:49:28 EST from nadia @ Uncensored

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[#] Fri Dec 08 2006 15:50:43 EST from athos-mn @ Uncensored

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[#] Tue Dec 12 2006 01:39:48 EST from harry @ Uncensored

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We finally got the money in the bank from selling our other house. Now we can afford to fix or replace some stuff around this house. Number 1 on the list is a new fridge. I checked the breaker and we have 20 amps of service that only goes to the fridge and one lightbulb, so far as I can tell.

The fridge we have now is as old as Ginger. The top is CURVED and it's internal lightbulb does NOT go off when you close the door. And the freezer section is a block of ice.

Lookout appliance stores !! Here we come !!

[#] Tue Dec 12 2006 09:34:22 EST from nadia @ Uncensored

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i assume that you'll probably find lower electricity bills with the upgrade.

[#] Tue Dec 12 2006 17:23:41 EST from harry @ Haven BBS

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Yes, I WILL be looking for the "energy star" symbol on the frisge. But our major constraint is, unfortunately, space.

This house was built at least as far back as the early 40's, as far as we can tell. We found an early 40's year scratched into the concrete in the basement. It's had a little remodeling, as far as I can tell, but NOT in the kitchen area, so there is only room enough for a small fridge, not a big side-by-side, for example. I took the measurements and it's gonnna be tight.

I also checked the breaker box. We seem to have a dedicated 20 AMP circuit for the fridge, with only one light outlet on the same circuit. So we will not be limited by the AMPs needed, but definitely limited by size.

We'll start looking at local appliance stores soon. Maybe start with Sears, down at the local mall, and work our way out from there. I know that Sears has field service reps for the fridges they sell, and that is a big plus. I'll also start looking on their website,, to see what they carry. The display floor almost certainly does NOT show all the models available.

[#] Tue Dec 12 2006 17:29:24 EST from harry @ Haven BBS

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Another big sucker of electricity is our damned water heater. The thermostat is majorly broken and does NOT work. It is NOT likely that Susan will spring for fixing that, as it cannot easily be moved to the next house when we move. Note WHEN, not IF. The house we are in is slated for demolition in the not too distant future.

One thing we have already done to conserve electricity is to change almost ALL of our lightbulbs to compact flourescents. CF's produce the same lumens of light for less electricity, and I like their little sprial shape, too.
And they produce less waste heat. I love 'em. They also seem to last longer without burning out.

There are a few non-CF bulbs in lamps that require incandescent bulbs but very few of those.

[#] Tue Dec 12 2006 22:34:51 EST from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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One nice thing about buying appliances from Sears is that it's really easy to get parts. You just key the model number into their web site and it shows you an exploded diagram, complete with every part number, and you can order it right there.

[#] Wed Dec 13 2006 15:53:35 EST from athos-mn @ Uncensored

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Unlike, unfortunately, appliances from Montgomery Ward. I was investigating a click from a direct-vent furnace we have on our second floor (it combusts outside of the house, so it got an OK from the home inspector) - nobody knows a thing about them.

[#] Thu Dec 14 2006 04:14:01 EST from harry @ Haven BBS

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Look in a Monkey-Ward catalog ??

[#] Thu Dec 14 2006 06:29:03 EST from Grey Wolf @ PixelBBS

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Flourescents last sumo's assloads longer than incandescants. 2000 hours of use compared to around 400-500. And do deliver more light for the buck.

Your story, harry, reminds me of a friend of mine here. She moved out of her apartment in 2004, but even until then it had a fridge that was easily from the 40's. All white, chrome, cursive lettering, and a handle that you had to pull and twist to open it. Looked cool, but had to be horribly inefficient.

[#] Thu Dec 14 2006 09:24:59 EST from athos-mn @ Uncensored

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They're gone, harry. The company that now uses their name has no connection to the original; they just bought the name.

[#] Thu Dec 14 2006 12:07:22 EST from nadia @ Uncensored

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you might be able to get a good deal after christmas. but seriously, fridges come in all sizes and i'm sure that almost any new fridge is nicer than an old one.

trivia: i knew someone who did biophysics research who said they always needed to used freezers as old as harry's fridge for their samples, because the modern (more efficient ones) kill the samples because they have more downwards temperature variation.

i'm not so sure about this whole electric hot water heater thing. we tried to conserve electricity, and we live in an apartment. we got our first con ed bill which was only for 3 weeks and it was $70. i know to someone in a house that's nothing, but that's seems like at least $20 just for the water heater. is that a lot? i don't think our crappy-ass gas hot water heater cost that much to run.

[#] Thu Dec 14 2006 12:23:01 EST from harry @ Haven BBS

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I see. OK. Thanks.

[#] Thu Dec 14 2006 12:23:47 EST from harry @ Haven BBS

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BTW - Sears/Kenmore ranks HIGH on my list of preferred appliances, as if anyone cared about MHO.

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