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[#] Sat Jun 19 2004 06:32:22 EDT from "jmfbahciv" <jmfbahciv@aol.com> to comp.lang.forth@groups.mcmentertainment.net

Subject: Re: Brain Emulation

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In article <2jgoclF11aeuiU1@uni-berlin.de>,
"Dmitriy Samsonov" <lmd@manobo.com> wrote:

With the soft touch of a lover, IBM Fellow mfc created REXX in 1979 and
http://mentifex.virtualentity.com/theory3.html#1979may08 and atm did AI.
http://mentifex.virtualentity.com/mindrexx.html was REXX AI in 1994.
http://mentifex.virtualentity.com/mind4th.html Forth AI began in 1998.
http://mentifex.virtualentity.com/ai4umind.html is now in JavaScript.
AI has been solved with a Cognitive Architecture that emulates the
brain.
I carefully read all the pages. But I still can't get how does your
software
emulates brain?

Good for you!!!!

<snip>

/BAH

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[#] Sat Jun 19 2004 14:40:06 EDT from "Julian V. Noble" <jvn@virginia.edu> to comp.lang.forth@groups.mcmentertainment.net

Subject: Re: Ann: Win32Forth V6.09.07

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George Hubert wrote:

Now available for downloading at
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/win32forth/files/Distros/w32f60907.exe
and also at
www.win32forth.org
includes a profect manager, and updated version of the ForthForm that helps
^^^^^^^
design toolbars as well as forms and a demo of the new editor control, to be
used in WinEd's replacement.

George Hubert

What is a profect, and why do I want to manage one?

--
Julian V. Noble
Professor Emeritus of Physics
jvn@lessspamformother.virginia.edu
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
http://galileo.phys.virginia.edu/~jvn/

"For there was never yet philosopher that could endure the toothache
patiently." -- Wm. Shakespeare, Much Ado about Nothing. Act v. Sc. 1.
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[#] Sat Jun 19 2004 15:29:05 EDT from "m-coughlin" <m-coughlin@comcast.net> to comp.lang.forth@groups.mcmentertainment.net

Subject: Re: Trusting Forth

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Samuel Liddicott wrote:

I heard that a full Forth (on the right hardware) can be build from 3
predefined forth words (anyone know what they are)?
Am I talking rubbish?

I don't think a full Forth can be built from only three
predefined Forth words, for no other reason than a "full" Forth
cannot be built at all.

I wondered if this was the answer to the problem of compilers
inserting trojans; as the whole forth system could be bootstrapped
from human readable source on power-up - an advantage of a
system where the language extends the compiler - as it can be
possible to leave a lot of the compiler source still in the open.

http://www.wbglinks.net/pages/reads/hacksexplained/thompson1.html

Comments?

Forth can be used to answer the problem of compilers
inserting trojans, as in the famous example written by Ken
Thompson. I don't think it can be done by writing code; it can
be done with a Forth system that has every part written so a
human being can see there is no place for malicious code to hide.

What is the smallest possible Forth system? That question
gets asked over and over again. Unfortunately everybody who asks
or answers has a different idea of what the smallest useful
Forth system should be, or even what Forth itself should be. The
number of possibilities can be made much less by asking what
should a small system be that is a working and secure Forth
compiler/interpreter. This could be a much clearer topic for debate.

To start construction, I'd like to have a listing that is
written in reverse. First write the high level comments, then
the low level comments, then the code. The first part would be a
general description of what is being done, in technical English
(or any other human language). Then follow with the comment for
each op code or Forth word precisely stating what is being done,
what the variables stand for, what is being put on or taken off
the stacks, and why things are being done this particular way
and not some other. Finally insert the machine code for a
particular processor, the calls to firmware for a particular
mainboard and the most useful Forth words you can think of for
your purpose (which are being created as the listing is executed
or compiled). Any system programmer who understands the high
level comments can follow thru to write the low level code and
another programmer can check to see there are no hidden tricks
and traps. This would be vastly easier to do with Forth than the
tools used to construct such things as C compilers.

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Michael Coughlin m-coughlin@comcast.net Cambridge, MA USA
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[#] Sat Jun 19 2004 16:54:16 EDT from "Guy Macon" <http://www.guymacon.com@quagmire.poulincomm.com> to comp.lang.forth@groups.mcmentertainment.net

Subject: Re: Unix shell based in Forth

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Albert van der Horst <albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl> says...

Guy Macon <http://www.guymacon.com> wrote:

The ash shell uses 94k of HDD and 380k of RAM. Surely some Forth
Guru can make a smaller shell than that!

By replacing looping, casing and calculations by equivalent Forth
stuff and providing all other bash facilities in a compatible way, I
think a Forth replacement for bash wouldn't grow much above 100 K.
But who would go to all that trouble?

Someone who:

[1] Believes in the Open Source philosophy and wishes to make the
world a better place by improving GNU/Linux.

...or...

[2] Sells something related to Forth and wants a boatload of free
advertising.

...or...

[3] Sells something related to Forth and wants a large number of
people to get the "Forth is really good at making small, fast
programs"

...or...

[4] Is a consultant or jobseeker and wishes large number of potential
clients/employers to see that he or she does good work.

...or...

[5] Thinks that solving the technical challenge would be fun.



--
Guy Macon, Electronics Engineer & Project Manager for hire.
Remember Doc Brown from the _Back to the Future_ movies? Do you
have an "impossible" engineering project that only someone like
Doc Brown can solve? My resume is at http://www.guymacon.com/

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[#] Sat Jun 19 2004 16:55:37 EDT from "Guy Macon" <http://www.guymacon.com@quagmire.poulincomm.com> to comp.lang.forth@groups.mcmentertainment.net

Subject: Re: Unix shell based in Forth

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Albert van der Horst <albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl> says...

I am going to promote my assembler/disassembler as a tool
that can be used (i.a.) to reverse engineer drivers supplied with
windows systems (in order to make Linux drivers.) I think the
interactivity of Forth makes it suitable for this task. If that tool
becomes popular, the underlying Forth will be included in distro's.
It is not difficult to write a small plug in, such as for analysing
a coff header or dll. Suddenly one finds himself programming in
Forth.

This is a great idea!

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[#] Sat Jun 19 2004 18:17:19 EDT from "Alex McDonald" <alex_mcd@btopenworld.com> to comp.lang.forth@groups.mcmentertainment.net

Subject: Re: Ann: Win32Forth V6.09.07

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[#] Sat Jun 19 2004 18:20:12 EDT from "alena123" <alena123@mail15.com> to comp.lang.forth@groups.mcmentertainment.net

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[#] Sat Jun 19 2004 19:38:49 EDT from "Mark A. Washburn" <Reply7471859353@wmconnect.com> to comp.lang.forth@groups.mcmentertainment.net

Subject: Re: The answer to 'What is FORTH?'

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[#] Sat Jun 19 2004 20:52:38 EDT from "John A. Peters" <japeters@pacbell.net> to comp.lang.forth@groups.mcmentertainment.net

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[#] Sat Jun 19 2004 22:39:53 EDT from "Jeff Fox" <fox@ultratechnology.com> to comp.lang.forth@groups.mcmentertainment.net

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[#] Sun Jun 20 2004 06:27:15 EDT from "Charles Richmond" <richmond@plano.net> to comp.lang.forth@groups.mcmentertainment.net

Subject: Re: The answer to 'What is FORTH?'

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[#] Sun Jun 20 2004 04:45:59 EDT from "." <jihadbomb@care2.com> to comp.lang.forth@groups.mcmentertainment.net

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[#] Sun Jun 20 2004 05:53:31 EDT from "Thomas Pornin" <pornin@nerim.net> to comp.lang.forth@groups.mcmentertainment.net

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[#] Sun Jun 20 2004 06:03:11 EDT from "Thomas Pornin" <pornin@nerim.net> to comp.lang.forth@groups.mcmentertainment.net

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[#] Sun Jun 20 2004 07:19:00 EDT from "Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn" <PointedEars@nurfuerspam.de> to comp.lang.forth@groups.mcmentertainment.net

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[#] Sun Jun 20 2004 15:46:44 EDT from "Charles Pritchard" <chuck@nospam-visc.us> to comp.lang.forth@groups.mcmentertainment.net

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[#] Sun Jun 20 2004 15:58:52 EDT from "Julian V. Noble" <jvn@virginia.edu> to comp.lang.forth@groups.mcmentertainment.net

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[#] Sun Jun 20 2004 14:14:01 EDT from "Jeff Fox" <fox@ultratechnology.com> to comp.lang.forth@groups.mcmentertainment.net

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[#] Sun Jun 20 2004 13:15:37 EDT from "Mark A. Washburn" <Reply7471859353@wmconnect.com> to comp.lang.forth@groups.mcmentertainment.net

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[#] Sun Jun 20 2004 18:21:04 EDT from "Rubywand" <rubywand@swbell.net> to comp.lang.forth@groups.mcmentertainment.net

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