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[#] Mon Jan 27 2014 14:07:18 EST from zooer @ Uncensored

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[#] Mon Jan 27 2014 15:32:55 EST from triLcat @ Uncensored

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morningstar farms crumbles...

soy pellets which can easily replace ground beef in recipes, and have a texture and flavor that is almost, but not entirely, unlike meat.

But their products overall taste really good, and in my meat-deprived youth, I lived on Morningstar Farms... - keeping Kosher in Lawton, Oklahoma wasn't always easy...  

We'd get chicken, salami, hot dogs, and fish. Nothing else that came from a dead animal unless my mom trecked out Dallas (4 hours each way) 

[#] Mon Jan 27 2014 17:20:29 EST from fleeb @ Uncensored

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I've found that vegetable replacements for beef cause me to potentially clear a room via anal vapours.

[#] Mon Jan 27 2014 18:59:39 EST from the_mgt @ Uncensored

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Mon Jan 27 2014 10:25:28 EST from zooer @ Uncensored
Does the eggplant absorb the oil? When you fry eggplant is soaks up a lot of that oil.

I only brush the eggplant lightly and because some of the water was absorbed earlier, it absorbs all of the oil during the 20 minutes in the oven. If you place it carefully into the oven, without burning it, they will dry up nicely. You get an almost papery/cardboard like consistency, but in a good way. This is a lengthy article, covering all the ways of skinning the cat. The skinned cat in their pictures looks... not so tasty...

I use the following method, found here:

Parmigiana di melanzane
serves 4 persons
for the  Eggplant:
800 g Eggplant (about 2 large Eggplants or 3-4 small)
3 spoons (Olive-)Oil
for the Sauce:
800 g cut tomatos (tinned or alternatively 1 kg fresh ones. If you use fresh ones, peal them by puring boiling water over them, I guess you know what to do)
1 large onion
2 bits of garlic
1 Spoon (olive-)oil
a few leaves of basil(+ some for decoration)

300 g Mozzarella
60 g Parmesan
maybe some bread
Wash eggplant, cut into discs about 7mm thick. Pour salt on both sides, put aside for 20 minutes. (This was once done in order to remove the bitterness. Bitterness was breed out of the eggplant, but eggplant eats salt as if there was no tomorrow. So in order to not suffer from an annoying legumes taste, I still salt eggplant generously. It also drains them, so the baking in the oven will be faster.) Heat up the oven to 200° C, maybe continue with the sauce. After twenty minutes, wipe off the water and salt from the eggplant. Brush lightly with oil from both sides, put into oven for yet another 20 minutes. Slow food anyone?
The Sauce: Peel onion and garlic, cut onion into small pieces, fry in oil (in a pan). When they become "glassy", add onion for a short fry and then add tomato pieces. Let it cook for about 20 minutes, so it loses lots of water. Add cut up basil, salt, pepper and a little bit of sugar.
Cut mozarella into slices, grind parmesan.
Take eggplant out of the oven after 20 minutes. They should not be brown, just "dry" and you will see pores. like a sponge.
Get a casserole, put in one layer of eggplant, one layer of mozarella, one layer of saue. Repeat, cover with parmesan. Turn heat to 225° C, put in casserole. Let it bake for 10-20 minutes, until the cheese has melted. Don't let it burn.

[#] Mon Jan 27 2014 21:48:31 EST from zooer @ Uncensored

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Crumbles... ahhh yes.

I think I am tofu intolerant. I don't mind it, it has the taste of whatever it is mixed with. I am not grossed
out by it, it just... doesn't like me.

I think crumbles are a tofu product.

[#] Tue Jan 28 2014 02:11:19 EST from triLcat @ Uncensored

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soybean, yes. not specifically tofu. 


[#] Tue Jan 28 2014 04:18:41 EST from the_mgt @ Uncensored

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My favourite meat replacement is Qorn:

It has about the density and texture of chicken. Its taste is rather good, not too shallow and not to intense. Comes in a variety of forms, I prefer the larger chunks. It can replace chicken in almost every dish, but they also have a ground meat variety which is nice for bolognese or chili sin carne.

Sadly, it is hard to get in germany, since the vegetarians here are almost all ecological/organic food nazis which do not go well with a mass produced product like Qorn, especially since it uses lots of eggs in production. As I read, they changed to free-range eggs, but still you wont find it here in the dedicated organic/fairtrade stores. The scandinavians seem to care less, it is available in almost every large supermarket.

[#] Tue Jan 28 2014 10:01:55 EST from zooer @ Uncensored

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My friend's wife is a vegetarian and his 12 year old son who was a vegetarian has decided to become vegan. My
friend is vegetarian while in that house. We often discuss how vegetarians try to convince you something is
just like meat when it isn't. There are a lot of vegetarian dishes I like and enjoy but I don't like being told
it is just like meat when it isn't.
I used to make the crumbles with tomato sauce and put it on spaghetti, with enough sauce it passed for some sort
meat like substance.

Must be that processed soybeans that go right through me.

[#] Tue Jan 28 2014 18:34:36 EST from the_mgt @ Uncensored

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To me, there are two problems with meat replacements: 1. Structure and 2. Taste. Structure is hard to achieve because animal protein has larger/longer fibers, so the whole thing feels different. Taste is even more difficult, since the fats are hard to imitate and I have yet to come across the right umaminess.

In general, I am ok with the stuff as long as it is interesting and does not taste utterly disgusting. But I have never met a vegetarian that tried to convince me something was "just like meat". Qorn comes close to dry chicken, but thats all. Our asian store sells mock duck and chicken made of wheat, which has a nice structure but a strange taste. You need to drown it in some sauce.

[#] Wed Jan 29 2014 06:09:48 EST from triLcat @ Uncensored

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Oh, if you expect it to replace meat, you're gonna have a bad time. 

Morningstar Farms stuff, though, tastes pretty good and has enough protein that you feel like you've eaten a real meal, where I rarely feel like just vegetables and grains are a real meal. 

The stuff is spiced really well. There's nothing as good locally :(


[#] Wed Jan 29 2014 10:54:53 EST from Shazam @ Uncensored

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Jan 27 2014 5:20pm from fleeb @uncnsrd

I've found that vegetable replacements for beef cause me to
potentially clear a room via anal vapours.

I was just going to say "I don't digest soy" but you said it much better.

[#] Wed Jan 29 2014 11:01:40 EST from fleeb @ Uncensored

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Some thoughts are difficult to express nicely.

[#] Wed Jan 29 2014 14:04:33 EST from zooer @ Uncensored

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"potentially clear a room via anal vapours"
"I don't digest soy"
"Soy intolerant"

Something along those lines.

[#] Thu Jan 30 2014 10:38:56 EST from Shazam @ Uncensored

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I never put eggplant into lasagna before. I thought it had to be those big flat pasta noodles. Eggplant in it sounds good, though, I've gotten to like it in some of its forms. It always seems to give me heartburn, but it is yummy.

[#] Thu Jan 30 2014 15:49:31 EST from triLcat @ Uncensored

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Wed Jan 29 2014 14:04:33 EST from zooer @ Uncensored
"potentially clear a room via anal vapours"
"I don't digest soy"
"Soy intolerant"

Something along those lines.

Have you tried stuff like beano or digestive enzymes?


[#] Thu Jan 30 2014 16:38:29 EST from zooer @ Uncensored

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Yes, but I don't think that would help with soy bean products. Gas isn't the problem, it is as if my body
doesn't try to digest it, it just sends it through the system.

[#] Fri Jan 31 2014 05:15:27 EST from Shazam @ Uncensored

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Eh. I've tried beano but not for soy. I'm not going to either, the whole "tastes like meat" thing doesn't particularly attract me since I don't like the taste of meat. Or the texture. Or the smell. Actually the smell is the biggest turnoff. Let's talk about somethign else.
Like brownies.

[#] Fri Jan 31 2014 07:36:41 EST from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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zooer -- that's basically what gas is.  When your body lacks the enzymes to fully digest something, it goes through a chemical reaction other than normal digestion, producing gas that ultimately has to come out one end or the other.

I've said before -- I like veggie burgers.  I'm not a vegetarian, but I do keep a bag of Morningstar Farms "garden veggie patties" in the freezer.  I don't consider them to be hamburgers any more than I'd consider a (real) chicken patty to be a hamburger.  It's just one more tasty food.  IMHO, vegetarian products that aim to emulate meat products are the problem.  If I want meat I eat meat.  If I want veggies I eat veggies.  If I want toxic cardboard masquerading as food I go to Delaware.


[#] Fri Jan 31 2014 08:40:23 EST from zooer @ Uncensored

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mmmmmm, digestive talk. Other beans don't give me problems, soy/tofu does. I don't want to get into details.

I like Morning Star chik patties and chik nuggets. I will make a sandwhich out of the chik
patties and make buffalo nuggets from the nuggets. You eat chicken wings for the hot sauce not for the wings,
so you can eat the chik nuggets for the hot sauce as well.

I thought veggie burgers were just okay, I would eat them but I wasn't crazy about them. I had a really bad
tasting/texture veggie burger, I never ate them again. It was horrible.

[#] Sun Feb 02 2014 15:12:23 EST from Shazam @ Uncensored

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does Morningstar have the basic problem that most pre-made foods have, like too much sodium or preservatives and other garbage in them?

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