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[#] Fri Jun 15 2007 20:48:31 EDT from nadia @ Uncensored

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i don't like starbucks much. the coffee from the mud truck is good.

i really like peet's coffee though. i once drank so much that i got physically ill from it (not in the gastrointestinal sense). it was a department coffee hour, and a lab-mate and i spent the entire hour drinking the coffee. the only thing i could do was sleep it off, but i was so twitchy. it might have been the caffeine. it was a little like the feeling you get after the 5th caffergot doesn't touch your migraine (though i always attributed that to the ergot rather than the caff).

[#] Fri Jun 15 2007 22:00:11 EDT from Groo the Wanderer @ Uncensored

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Ok, IG I'm going to follow that to the tea.  8)

 

Becasue I was trying to follow Alton Brown's suggestions which uses a ton more coffee than that and it came out so freaken strong I don't know how he doesn't drop dead from a heart attack after all these years.  You must have seen his coffee episode of good eats.  What did you think?



[#] Fri Jun 15 2007 22:02:54 EDT from Groo the Wanderer @ Uncensored

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Yeah yeah yeah, I knew someone was going to say that.  (mostly because I would have if someone else posted it.) I tryed to think of other ways to say it, but I was so tired last night I gave up.  But I knew someone was going to say that.  I was expecting it to be Nadia. 8)
Fri 15 Jun 2007 05:56:13 AM EDT from fleeb@uncnsrd


Fri 15 Jun 2007 12:33:15 AM EDT from Groo the Wanderer@uncnsrd

IG, any suggestions on making coffee? I've been trying a bunch of different things and no matter what I do my coffee tastes like crap. How much coffee do you use per cup?


A cup's worth?




[#] Fri Jun 15 2007 22:33:39 EDT from nadia @ Uncensored

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i think the shape of your coffee filter makes a difference too. i think the cone shaped ones need more coffee per cup for the same strength.

[#] Fri Jun 15 2007 23:30:32 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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Groo: I did see the coffee episode of Good Eats, and I thought the same thing that I've thought about a lot of episodes:

Alton Brown is teh r0x0r; I've learned soooooo much about cooking from watching his show -- BUT -- sometimes he just makes things too damn complicated.

[#] Fri Jun 15 2007 23:41:30 EDT from Groo the Wanderer @ Uncensored

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Really?  Because you would think that the water would be moving inwards towards the bottom and not missing as much of the coffee.  Hmm, then again there is less coffee at the bottom.... there must be some mathimatical, physicy things that would explane which is better. 

 

Fri 15 Jun 2007 10:33:39 PM EDT from nadia@uncnsrd

i think the shape of your coffee filter makes a difference too. i think the cone shaped ones need more coffee per cup for the same strength.



[#] Fri Jun 15 2007 23:43:27 EDT from Groo the Wanderer @ Uncensored

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And unless you tape the show he goes way to fast to keep up.  fortunatly I have a copy of Chuck for Chuck, which has taught me that chuck steak isn't as bad as everyone believes.  I can make a killer chuck steak now.  I still don't understand the point of the raisins. 

 

Fri 15 Jun 2007 11:30:32 PM EDT from IGnatius T Foobar@uncnsrd

Groo: I did see the coffee episode of Good Eats, and I thought the same thing that I've thought about a lot of episodes:

Alton Brown is teh r0x0r; I've learned soooooo much about cooking from watching his show -- BUT -- sometimes he just makes things too damn complicated.



[#] Sat Jun 16 2007 07:03:44 EDT from fleeb @ Uncensored

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Fri 15 Jun 2007 10:02:54 PM EDT from Groo the Wanderer@uncnsrd

Yeah yeah yeah, I knew someone was going to say that. (mostly because I would have if someone else posted it.) I tryed to think of other ways to say it, but I was so tired last night I gave up. But I knew someone was going to say that. I was expecting it to be Nadia. 8)

Heh... I couldn't resist.  But you're right.. it's hard to express that thought well.


[#] Sat Jun 16 2007 08:57:31 EDT from nadia @ Uncensored

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Jun 15 2007 11:41pm from Groo the Wanderer @uncnsrd
Really? Because you would think that the water would be moving
inwards towards the bottom and not missing as much of the coffee.
Hmm, then again there is less coffee at the bottom.... there must be
some mathimatical, physicy things that would explane which is
better.

keep in mind that there's a little hole in the center under the filter for the water to escape in either way. so i guess it might have a tendency to pool over a larger volume of the grinds when the bottom is flat. by that logic and upside down cone would get you the strongest coffee per volume of grinds.

[#] Sat Jun 16 2007 09:53:44 EDT from Magus @ Uncensored

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Only if you have fixed diameter, no? I'd think a very broad, flat disc would yield even stronger coffee per volume if your logic is correct. Although you might need the bottom to have a slight incline toward the single hole to get the water to drip out, so perhaps a very shallow cone?

[#] Sat Jun 16 2007 11:41:57 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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I think the cone shape is designed for cheaper manufacture of both coffee pot and filter media, not because someone thought it would make better coffee.

As for cooking with AB's recipes ... I usually watch the show a few times (usually thanks to TiVo, although I do have a few on DVD) and then grab the recipe from the web site.

I tried the pot roast recipe too, and it was definitely good. Eventually I start modifying any recipe, though ... nowadays I do pot roast (or any recipe calling for a chuck steak) in the pressure cooker, and it comes out just as good in a fraction of the time.

[#] Sat Jun 16 2007 11:51:56 EDT from Groo the Wanderer @ Uncensored

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I'll have to try that, because cooking steak for 3 hours on 350 degrees is really a long time when you're hungry after a long day of work. 

 

Sat 16 Jun 2007 11:41:57 AM EDT from IGnatius T Foobar@uncnsrd

I think the cone shape is designed for cheaper manufacture of both coffee pot and filter media, not because someone thought it would make better coffee.

As for cooking with AB's recipes ... I usually watch the show a few times (usually thanks to TiVo, although I do have a few on DVD) and then grab the recipe from the web site.

I tried the pot roast recipe too, and it was definitely good. Eventually I start modifying any recipe, though ... nowadays I do pot roast (or any recipe calling for a chuck steak) in the pressure cooker, and it comes out just as good in a fraction of the time.



[#] Sat Jun 16 2007 11:54:44 EDT from Groo the Wanderer @ Uncensored

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I would think that water would take the easiest rout to the hole at the bottom, an upside down cone I would imagine would center the water when you pour in it and the water would leak down missing a majority of the grins no?
Sat 16 Jun 2007 08:57:31 AM EDT from nadia@uncnsrd

Jun 15 2007 11:41pm from Groo the Wanderer @uncnsrd
Really? Because you would think that the water would be moving
inwards towards the bottom and not missing as much of the coffee.
Hmm, then again there is less coffee at the bottom.... there must be
some mathimatical, physicy things that would explane which is
better.

keep in mind that there's a little hole in the center under the filter for the water to escape in either way. so i guess it might have a tendency to pool over a larger volume of the grinds when the bottom is flat. by that logic and upside down cone would get you the strongest coffee per volume of grinds.



[#] Sat Jun 16 2007 12:20:23 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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I'll have to try that, because cooking steak for 3 hours on 350
degrees is really a long time when you're hungry after a long day of
work.

That's fine, as long as you're doing a "wet method" application like pot roast. Obviously you can't do a plain steak that way.

Do be sure to brown the meat first, before adding liquid and other ingredients and closing the lid. But you probably knew that already.

[#] Sat Jun 16 2007 19:03:09 EDT from Groo the Wanderer @ Uncensored

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No I didn't know that, thanks.  I've never used one before.
Sat 16 Jun 2007 12:20:23 PM EDT from IGnatius T Foobar@uncnsrd

I'll have to try that, because cooking steak for 3 hours on 350
degrees is really a long time when you're hungry after a long day of
work.

That's fine, as long as you're doing a "wet method" application like pot roast. Obviously you can't do a plain steak that way.

Do be sure to brown the meat first, before adding liquid and other ingredients and closing the lid. But you probably knew that already.



[#] Sun Jun 17 2007 13:27:19 EDT from nadia @ Uncensored

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Jun 16 2007 9:53am from Magus @uncnsrd
Only if you have fixed diameter, no? I'd think a very broad, flat disc

would yield even stronger coffee per volume if your logic is correct.

Although you might need the bottom to have a slight incline toward the

single hole to get the water to drip out, so perhaps a very shallow

cone?


yes, yes. i meant give the 2 shapes already in use. and in fact i'm sure the bottom of the "flat" kind also has a slopee. the container has to have a slope but the filter needn't i guess. then you need to figure out the aspect ratio of the coffee grinds needed to hold the filter down (ie, not bypass the filter). who knows, you might get back awfully close to the flat basket design after all.


[#] Sun Jun 17 2007 22:22:34 EDT from shazam @ Uncensored

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btw, shazam, around here the kids drink this unique thing... all the
kids drink it.

all natural, no artificial colors or flavors, no sugar or
aspartame...

it's called water.

Never heard of it.

No wait, that does ring a bell... No, I was wrong. I never heard of it. So do they sell it in cans, or in bags?

[#] Sun Jun 17 2007 22:30:27 EDT from shazam @ Uncensored

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IG, any suggestions on making coffee? I've been trying a bunch of
different things and no matter what I do my coffee tastes like
crap. How much coffee do you use per cup?

Ooh, I realized I was wrong about the real coffee. Instant can be just as good, and the important thing is to make it *much* stronger, and stop adding sweetener to it. Or milk, really. And then add more coffee, because it really wasn't strong enough. You'll see, it's much better that way. But like everyone else said, you have to start with good coffee.

[#] Tue Jun 19 2007 11:13:51 EDT from Groo the Wanderer @ Uncensored

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Good Coffee is just logical.  fortunatly I have this great coffee place right up the hill from me, they sell decent bean for a decent price.  I got a grinder too so it's all good.


[#] Thu Jun 21 2007 14:37:57 EDT from Avalondaughter @ Uncensored

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Instant coffee is great for coffee flavored desserts.  If I'm baking, I sure don't want to take the extra time it takes to brew a pot of coffe and be stuck with another pot to wash.

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