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[#] Wed Apr 25 2012 05:11:07 EDT from Stefan @ Uncensored

Subject: Re: Blue Castle Theme for Citadel/Webcit 8.05

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Thanks,

I will package it for the RPM based distros as soon as I can.

Stefan



[#] Wed May 02 2012 16:37:03 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

Subject: FLOSS Weekly

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Check out this week's episode of FLOSS Weekly:

http://twit.tv/show/floss-weekly/209

This week's guest is: me! On today's show I'm chatting with Randall and Simon about the modern Citadel system and its roots in the old-school scene of online communities.


[#] Wed May 02 2012 17:03:38 EDT from zooer @ Uncensored

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Ahhhh the real reason he wanted a high quality mic. He fancies himself a internet star.

[#] Wed May 02 2012 17:06:24 EDT from zooer @ Uncensored

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At least he calls us "hip cats" which is a much better name than I use. I will download it and view it later.

[#] Mon May 07 2012 12:47:47 EDT from Stefan @ Uncensored

Subject: Re: Blue Castle Theme for Citadel/Webcit 8.05

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Hi all,

Wed Apr 25 2012 05:11:07 EDT from Stefan @ Uncensored Subject: Re: Blue Castle Theme for Citadel/Webcit 8.05

Thanks,

I will package it for the RPM based distros as soon as I can.

Stefan

The theme is now available from our "official" rpm repository. (webcit-theme-blue-castle)



[#] Wed May 09 2012 00:26:19 EDT from ax25 @ Uncensored

Subject: Re: FLOSS Weekly

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Thanks for the note in there IG!  Will share the vid with the rest of the folks.  Thanks all of you guys / gals that write the Citadel software!
Ax25


Wed May 02 2012 04:37:03 PM EDTfrom IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored Subject: FLOSS Weekly

Check out this week's episode of FLOSS Weekly:

http://twit.tv/show/floss-weekly/209

This week's guest is: me! On today's show I'm chatting with Randall and Simon about the modern Citadel system and its roots in the old-school scene of online communities.

 



[#] Wed May 09 2012 11:35:47 EDT from kaipanoi @ Uncensored

Subject: Re: FLOSS Weekly

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I "re-discovered" Citadel thanks to that episode. Thanks for appearing!

Any news on a precise repo for Ubuntu?

 

Wed May 09 2012 00:26:19 EDT from ax25 @ Uncensored Subject: Re: FLOSS Weekly
Thanks for the note in there IG!  Will share the vid with the rest of the folks.  Thanks all of you guys / gals that write the Citadel software!
Ax25


Wed May 02 2012 04:37:03 PM EDTfrom IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored Subject: FLOSS Weekly

Check out this week's episode of FLOSS Weekly:

http://twit.tv/show/floss-weekly/209

This week's guest is: me! On today's show I'm chatting with Randall and Simon about the modern Citadel system and its roots in the old-school scene of online communities.

 



 



[#] Wed May 16 2012 03:02:42 EDT from mcdonc @ Uncensored

Subject: Re: FLOSS Weekly

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Hi Art,

I ran a Citadel BBS  in New Jersey ("The Enchanted Toilet") on a Cit 68K on Amiga and later on a PC on Citadel-86 from 1985 until 1989 or so.  I'm thrilled to see the project still active; it makes me very nostalgic!

I enjoyed your interview on FLOSS Weekly.  Although the semi-antagonistic and FUDdy lines of questioning made my eyes roll. ;-) (Incidentally, I was also interviewed on the program a while back http://www.twit.tv/floss151).

In any case, just wanted to drop a note to say I enjoyed the interview, thanks for doing it!

- Chris McDonough (aka "Harmonious Blacksmith", at least up until 1989 ;-) )



[#] Wed May 16 2012 10:10:01 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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Hi Chris, nice to see you here; I hope you'll stick around and enjoy a classic Citadel community.

The publicity from an appearance on FLOSS Weekly is certainly welcome. The thing that bugged me was that they wanted to keep focusing on history and nostalgia and the BBS scene. Sure, it makes great radio, but I would have preferred to spend more time focusing on what Citadel does *today* rather than where it came from.

[#] Wed May 16 2012 16:00:00 EDT from zooer @ Uncensored

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There was a citadel in New York called "The Toilet" run by someone with the first name of Chris. hmmmmmmm. Most be some kind of weird
Chris toilet thing.

[#] Thu May 24 2012 04:25:35 EDT from gefshep @ Uncensored

Subject: Re: FLOSS Weekly

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Wed May 16 2012 10:10:01 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored Subject: Re: FLOSS Weekly


The publicity from an appearance on FLOSS Weekly is certainly welcome. The thing that bugged me was that they wanted to keep focusing on history and nostalgia and the BBS scene. Sure, it makes great radio, but I would have preferred to spend more time focusing on what Citadel does *today* rather than where it came from.

 

Whilst I understand what you are saying, I wouldn't get too irritated by that.  It is interesting that the show happened about the time I was looking for a groupware solution to suggest to an organization I am a member of.  We are all old Aircraft Maintenance Engineers and Pilots, so simple engineering appeals to us.  I'd been looking at Citadel in the Debian repository for a few days and downloaded the FLOSS show to get more information.

I found the way you presented Citadel to be most informative, and the history was pertinent to showing that the product is sound, interesting and well developed.

 

One thing I also have found is a Youtube video presentation by Pittsburgh State University (only a couple of weeks old) that illustrates some weaknesses as to the way Citadel may be presented.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGtuGM5MKPg

It bugged me that a great presentation became effectively a sales pitch for Zimbra, with Citadel being there to try and show some even-handedness (although the fact that Citadel was the alternative and all the others had been rejected was an achievement in itself).  Citadel was only covered in the last 10 minutes or so of the presentation and Zimbra given free reign.  

What this showed to me was that the people who investigated the groupware were completely un-aware of what they could do with Citadel and how simple components can be constructed into quite complex capabilities.  I rather got the impression they were captivated by baubles and had no idea that they could change the appearance of Citadel just by some CSS.

 

I was surely tempted to leave a comment on the Youtube comments, however you might like to look at that?  Another suggestion may be to start a forum where people can contribute mini how-to posts on different features, even simple stuff like how the user mail screen works and can be used.

 

Anyway, thanks for listening to the rambling.  Hope this has been useful.

 

Rgds

 

Geoff.

 



[#] Thu May 24 2012 23:40:17 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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I just caught wind of that presentation this afternoon. My impression was that someone had pre-selected Zimbra, and they were merely paying lip service to other solutions in order to give the appearance of having done some due diligence.

Zimbra has us beat in the featureitis department, but at the expense of a very pigged out server footprint. But I'm more concerned with the company itself. Their "open core" license allows them to help themselves to all the open source components that allowed them to launch their product, but if you want to do anything useful with it you have to buy the $$$ware edition.

I've also caught them astroturfing, which is just plain not cool.

I'm glad that you noticed the clean engineering design of Citadel and that it appeals to you. It's been one of our goals to keep the design as neatly integrated and self-contained as possible. It's taken a lot longer to get here, and we've paid dearly for that in terms of having a smaller installed base than some of the other solutions that play in this space, but we have a much leaner and cleaner footprint because of it.

The interview on FLOSS Weekly has been great publicity so far. I didn't get to cover half the things I wanted to, though. Later on I pondered what it would be like if we had the opportunity to do something similar where we could steer the conversation. Then I realized that what I was looking for is basically an infomercial. I don't think anyone's done an infomercial for software before, but it could be a neat idea -- not a cheesy one with all of the fake applause from the paid studio audience, but more like a nice presentation wrapped up in friendly dialogue.

Anyone interested in participating in something like that? We could probably use something like Google Live Hangouts to put it together.

[#] Thu May 24 2012 23:40:42 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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By the way ... Citadel 8.11 has been released. A big announcement will follow soon but it's there for download; share and enjoy.

[#] Fri May 25 2012 01:24:03 EDT from rickhiranyaloka @ Uncensored

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I hope you do another interview, I was left with a good impression and wanting more information. Which seems like a good outcome for Citadel. Congratulations on 8.11!



[#] Fri May 25 2012 02:01:40 EDT from gefshep @ Uncensored

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Thu May 24 2012 23:40:42 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored
By the way ... Citadel 8.11 has been released. A big announcement will follow soon but it's there for download; share and enjoy.

 

Yes, upgrading to 8.11 from the Citadel site from my standard Wheezy 8.05 fixed a lot.  It was far snappier and the Wiki started working.

 

I'd still rather like to see a "How to" or "Doc" forum on the Citadel floor.

 

Rgds.



[#] Fri May 25 2012 02:30:51 EDT from gefshep @ Uncensored

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Expanding on a few points I've mentioned already:

 

I've been looking for a groupware that is straightforward, that an inexperienced person (albeit an intelligent one) can feel comfortable with with minimal training, and that they can expand what they do easily.  You have that with Citadel compared with, say Zimbra which will need far more training and support I'd say.  You would also need to be using it all the time to get the best out of it.  Someone in the group I'm involved with would give up on Zimbra pretty quickly.

What I got out of the FLOSS interview was that Citadel has been developed over a long period of time - it is stable and is likely to be around a lot longer.  I can use it now and it will be useful for a long time even if no more updates are made.  You can start simple straight away and build from there.  Someone can pick up the Administration of Citadel pretty quickly - important for a volunteer group.  Probably the biggest thing I've noticed with Citadel is that I've had to sit there and realise how I can use it to do complex things that it initially doesn't appear capable of.

Oh, I just LOVE the networking possibilities.

Now, what you can expect from both those things is more people coming to the Citadel site to get more information.  I don't think you need an informercial rather than say what you wanted to say on the FLOSS show right on your own website.  As an example, even the University presentation, you will see that some of those in the audience will come and have a look at the Citadel site - that is when you show them what Citadel can do from THEIR perspective.  Go through an example of someone setting up a Citadel install from the perspective of the Administrator - Go through an example how one of those University people could use Citadel to do what they want - show them how the components can be built into a project using floors and rooms.

I think an infomercial is a great idea, but for the moment I think you can pretty well do it on the Citadel site and live off the current publicity for a while.  Perhaps a youtube clip or two.

 

Anyway, I think I've said enough.

 

Rgds

 

Geoff.

Thu May 24 2012 23:40:17 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored Subject: Re: FLOSS Weekly
I just caught wind of that presentation this afternoon. My impression was .........

Zimbra has us beat in the featureitis department,.......

I'm glad that you noticed the clean engineering design of Citadel and that it appeals to you. It's been one of our goals to keep the design as neatly integrated and self-contained as possible. It's taken a lot longer to get here, and we've paid dearly for that in terms of having a smaller installed base than some of the other solutions that play in this space, but we have a much leaner and cleaner footprint because of it.

The interview on FLOSS Weekly has been great publicity so far. I didn't get to cover half the things I wanted to, though. Later on I pondered what it would be like if we had the opportunity to do something similar where we could steer the conversation. Then I realized that what I was looking for is basically an infomercial. I don't think anyone's done an infomercial for software before, but it could be a neat idea -- not a cheesy one with all of the fake applause from the paid studio audience, but more like a nice presentation wrapped up in friendly dialogue.

Anyone interested in participating in something like that? We could probably use something like Google Live Hangouts to put it together.

 



[#] Fri May 25 2012 05:11:12 EDT from gefshep @ Uncensored

Subject: An example of a Citadel feature

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I was thinking that a 3x5 filecard database would be a good addition to Citadel ....

 

but

 

It already has the classic Win 3.1 "rolodex" database ....

A forum room viewed as a mail room.

 

Something people need to be shown.



[#] Fri May 25 2012 05:21:48 EDT from dothebart @ Uncensored

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IGs theory of having an easy to present as fail candidate is probably true.

ruling out OX because of they found websites with german content is outright stupid since I know they have all the important content in english too.

i.e. my DSL provider gives me an account on his OX, so from the target audience OX would definitely have been a hotter candidate to compared to zimbra then citadel and then harder to  discuss why taking zimbra instead of OX.

they at least missed citadels file sharing capabilities.

whats astonishing me even more is that they replace an OCS (Oracle Colaboration Suite) which tends to be more an alternative a domino server or lotus notes for more then 10k users then a small business edition microsoft exchange.

they definitely drank the VM kool aid, and most probably oracles upgrade was to expensive.



[#] Fri May 25 2012 15:10:14 EDT from gefshep @ Uncensored

Subject: An example of a Citadel feature

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I was thinking that a 3x5 filecard database would be a good addition to Citadel ....

 

but

 

It already has the classic Win 3.1 "rolodex" database ....

A forum room viewed as a mail room.

 

Something people need to be shown.



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