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[#] Mon Jun 08 2009 17:31:37 EDT from t1 @ Uncensored

Subject: Migration tool in 7.60

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lol...intercal yes I'm sure the support forum search engine was done by that gentleman in intercal. try to search "migrating exchange" lol or even google "citadel migrating exchange"

Thanks for the help and provided links, I will give it a read and a go if it's not too hard, sorry to say I'm not an expert in any language. But I can surelly tell you that my preferred language is double click on a exe file :) also like citadel easy install language works great :).

It's great when excellent open source software makers like you guys create stuff without bitterness and with something called EASY :)... if it starts with easy than it's good for me. Just imagine:
easy.citadel.migrating.tool sounds great right ;) or
webcit migration tool

Does it sound that ridiculous to have a migration tool for exchange servers which make 70% or more of the existing small to medium size companies? Or does it just sound like really hard work?! guess zimbra understands it. One can be really good and hard worker punching lines in any language but that will never make a good PR or marketing man out of one.

Remember to always thank your fan club (which without any irony I'm included) to be pushing you guys harder and harder with the purpose of excelling in open source.




[#] Mon Jun 08 2009 17:56:41 EDT from dothebart @ Uncensored

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Remember, we're not running a business on this. We're doing this for fun. For that reason probably none of us has any motivation to get some exchangeserver installed, running, filled with test data, and write an integrated solution to move its content over to citadel.

We're also not aiming at being an exchange snap in replacement and trying to imitate it, as you might have noticed, there always is some citadel way to do it. It might not be obvious for an exchange user, but it feels good for us to do it that way.

so.. there won't be a point + click way, unless you make it happen. Btw, regular expressions and tools like sed make a good roundup in an admins skillset.



[#] Mon Jun 08 2009 18:26:10 EDT from t1 @ Uncensored

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"Remember, we're not running a business on this. We're doing this for fun. For that reason probably none of us has any motivation to get some exchangeserver installed, running, filled with test data, and write an integrated solution to move its content over to citadel."

I perfectly understand that. Specially the part that it's not a business and how hard it is. About the motivation, I also understand, but you guys have to realize that your product is excellent, and because of that you guys already have a huge bunch of citadel server users. Hard work and improving as nothing to do with motivation, you guys also have to think about all the users you already have and their needs. That's why you guys are working in the active directory connection. The exchange migration is just another step forward.

Referring to zimbra again. Their migration tool is not free. Just an idea, Why not making a separated tool from citadel server (but fully compatible) that you guys could sell just for this huge exchange market?. I can tell you right now without any dough that my company would buy it if the price is not outrageous. And like my company many others would because 70% or more small to medium size organizations are using exchange and are tired of microsoft BS prices and licences fees.

Althout the software is free and open source GPL, the migration tool for exchange would be payed. I don't see anything strange there!!!!

Just google, many users now days are preferring zimbra because of that, exchange and active directory integration. That's the main reason.

My company as 80 exchange users do you know how much money goes into microsoft pockets per year? for us it would not be a problem to buy a migration tool once and kill microsoft.



"We're also not aiming at being an exchange snap in replacement and trying to imitate it, as you might have noticed, there always is some citadel way to do it. It might not be obvious for an exchange user, but it feels good for us to do it that way."

You guys are not aiming but your product is exactly that. An exchange killer for small to medium size organizations. Your product is excellent and perfect for that, either you guys like it or want it or not :)


so.. there won't be a point + click way, unless you make it happen. Btw, regular expressions and tools like sed make a good roundup in an admins skillset."

If I could I would believe me, I'm a laywer and just a medium/poor ubuntu user that came out of the ubuntu desktop version with GUI to ubuntu server using SSH 6 months ago and loving it.



[#] Mon Jun 08 2009 20:16:56 EDT from fleeb @ Uncensored

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Setting up the Exchange server would easily be the most hellish part of supporting a tool to migrate things from such a server to Citadel.

Just setting up Exchange server requires a frontal lobotomy and several nude photos of Ernest Borgnine.



[#] Mon Jun 08 2009 21:54:19 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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t1: reading you loud and clear about the potential usefulness of a migration tool.  I agree it would be a really great thing to have.  We simply don't have the manpower to build it right now.  Even if we made it a non-free utility, we'd have to lay out the cash to pay someone to write it (and then hope that we sold enough copies to cover those costs, which is risky).

Ethically I can't get behind Zimbra's business model (get funded, help yourself to a bunch of open source components, add proprietary stuff on top of it, and then astroturf your way into getting people to think that you're an open source darling).  If our honesty and integrity keeps us a few market share points below our "fake free" peers, I'm ok with that.

That having been said, we'd be happy to provide a lot of support to anyone willing to build a migration tool.  I would imagine that such a tool would probably run on Windows, using whatever Exchange data access components Micro$oft makes available for the purpose of getting developers to build Exchange-dependent applications.



[#] Wed Jun 10 2009 03:13:38 EDT from samjam @ Uncensored

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(weird, sometimes reply is going to a "NOT FOUND" page, and a short while later it will work again).

I believe there will be some incentive to provide openchange migration tools, so the way may be via the openchange mapi server library which may be integrated with citadel as a back end; or failing that it could create a citadel xml migrate xml.

I reckon this is at least a year away though.

Sam



[#] Wed Jun 10 2009 11:58:23 EDT from t1 @ Uncensored

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IGnatius:
Straight honest answer... manpower and knowledge. Nothing I can say about that besides wishing you guys and this project the best having me included as a fan user and maybe in the future another fan will come along and provide us this essential tool.

About the license, I still don't agree, but that's just my view. I don't believe that a migration tool also needs to be open source. It's destined to commercial (profit) use and separated from the main product. If I would have to pay something for it then I would. Still would save a lot of money and BS from Microsoft.

p.s how is the 7.60 going :)? Are we there yet? you said weeks :)



samjam:
Having the same problem when trying to reply... NOT FOUND
Maybe samjam can give us an hand here?!
If we are moving than one year away is better than being stopped.




[#] Wed Jun 10 2009 13:29:43 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

Subject: Re: Migration tool in 7.60

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Interestingly, it seems that Red Hat considers libmapi to be mature enough to include it in Fedora 11 [http://news.zdnet.co.uk/software/0,1000000121,39659346,00.htm].
That means that a migration tool is theoretically possible, even on Linux.

In our case, the manpower constraint still applies, though.

[#] Wed Jun 10 2009 15:23:20 EDT from t1 @ Uncensored

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that's good news.

The tunel might be long and dark but I can see some light at the end of it ;)



[#] Wed Jun 10 2009 17:15:51 EDT from fleeb @ Uncensored

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Let's hope it isn't the oncoming train.

[#] Thu Jun 11 2009 16:37:03 EDT from t1 @ Uncensored

Subject: running Citadel 7.60 with WebCit 7.60

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You are connected to Uncensored, running Citadel 7.60 with WebCit 7.60, server build 7543 and located in Hawthorne, NY USA. Your system administrator is IGnatius T Foobar.



[#] Thu Jun 11 2009 16:54:05 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

Subject: Re: running Citadel 7.60 with WebCit 7.60

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Welcome to the beta test :)

[#] Thu Jun 11 2009 19:14:52 EDT from t1 @ Uncensored

Subject: Re: running Citadel 7.60 with WebCit 7.60

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lol...was checking it everyday



[#] Fri Jun 12 2009 13:18:39 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

Subject: Re: running Citadel 7.60 with WebCit 7.60

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It seems that WebCit has a lot of bugs in it right now. We're not going to release it until it is of acceptable quality. Please adjust your expectations and implementation plans accordingly.

[#] Wed Jun 24 2009 04:54:20 EDT from samjam @ Uncensored

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Wed Jun 10 2009 1:29:43 pm EDT EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored Subject: Re: Migration tool in 7.60
Interestingly, it seems that Red Hat considers libmapi to be mature enough to include it in Fedora 11 [http://news.zdnet.co.uk/software/0,1000000121,39659346,00.htm]. That means that a migration tool is theoretically possible, even on Linux.

In our case, the manpower constraint still applies, though.

Microsoft dev notes say: MAPI is de-emphasized in Microsoft Exchange 2007 and has been replaced by Exchange Web Services. EWS seems to be a SOAP -like xml based API

I guess libmapi API will be largely the same and adapt internally as needed to use the alternate API and transport.

Sam



[#] Wed Jun 24 2009 04:55:11 EDT from samjam @ Uncensored

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Wed Jun 10 2009 11:58:23 am EDT EDT from t1 @ Uncensored Subject: Migration tool in 7.60


samjam:
Having the same problem when trying to reply... NOT FOUND
Maybe samjam can give us an hand here?!

I just wait and then refresh until it works again.


If we are moving than one year away is better than being stopped.



 



[#] Wed Jun 24 2009 10:11:41 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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I'll believe that MAPI is "de-emphasized" when Outlook no longer uses it.

[#] Mon Jul 13 2009 15:00:12 EDT from t1 @ Uncensored

Subject: Re: Roadmap for Citadel 7.60>>>Integration Windows 2003 Active Directory

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Tic Tac Tic Tac Tic Tac

 

Sun May 03 2009 10:38:48 PM EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored Subject: Re: Roadmap for Citadel 7.60>>>Integration Windows 2003 Active Directory
"Soon" in this case will be measured in weeks, not months. The new features have already been completed and are undergoing some final QA. There are a few other things we need to polish up in other areas as well.

 



[#] Mon Jul 13 2009 15:58:20 EDT from dothebart @ Uncensored

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do you know whats the biggest advance in FLOSS? It doesn't hunt and follow comercial timelines and tries to release code when its ready for primetime.

do you know whats one of the biggest drawbacks in FLOSS? It doesn't hunt and follow comercial timelines and isn't released when you whish it would be.

But!

you can help!

follow SVN Head on your installation, use for example Valgrind to find bugs and report them back to us, so the next release comes earlier.



[#] Mon Jul 13 2009 16:20:42 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

Subject: Re: Roadmap for Citadel 7.60>>>Integration Windows 2003 Active Directory

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Based on the number of new features that have been checked in to the tree during a feature freeze, the next version of Citadel is now expected to be released on January 19, 2038. It might be later than that but I only have a 32-bit system.

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