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[#] Wed Jun 10 2009 15:23:20 EDT from t1 @ Uncensored

Subject: Re: Migration tool in 7.60

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that's good news.

The tunel might be long and dark but I can see some light at the end of it ;)



[#] Wed Jun 10 2009 17:15:51 EDT from fleeb @ Uncensored

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Let's hope it isn't the oncoming train.

[#] Wed Jun 10 2009 19:56:08 EDT from t1 @ Uncensored

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lol :) yeap... I saw a big train going up your A**



[#] Thu Jun 11 2009 06:24:33 EDT from fleeb @ Uncensored

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What are you doing up there?



[#] Thu Jun 11 2009 16:37:03 EDT from t1 @ Uncensored

Subject: running Citadel 7.60 with WebCit 7.60

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You are connected to Uncensored, running Citadel 7.60 with WebCit 7.60, server build 7543 and located in Hawthorne, NY USA. Your system administrator is IGnatius T Foobar.



[#] Thu Jun 11 2009 16:54:05 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

Subject: Re: running Citadel 7.60 with WebCit 7.60

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Welcome to the beta test :)

[#] Thu Jun 11 2009 19:14:52 EDT from t1 @ Uncensored

Subject: Re: running Citadel 7.60 with WebCit 7.60

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lol...was checking it everyday



[#] Fri Jun 12 2009 13:18:39 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

Subject: Re: running Citadel 7.60 with WebCit 7.60

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It seems that WebCit has a lot of bugs in it right now. We're not going to release it until it is of acceptable quality. Please adjust your expectations and implementation plans accordingly.

[#] Wed Jun 24 2009 04:54:20 EDT from samjam @ Uncensored

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Wed Jun 10 2009 1:29:43 pm EDT EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored Subject: Re: Migration tool in 7.60
Interestingly, it seems that Red Hat considers libmapi to be mature enough to include it in Fedora 11 [http://news.zdnet.co.uk/software/0,1000000121,39659346,00.htm]. That means that a migration tool is theoretically possible, even on Linux.

In our case, the manpower constraint still applies, though.

Microsoft dev notes say: MAPI is de-emphasized in Microsoft Exchange 2007 and has been replaced by Exchange Web Services. EWS seems to be a SOAP -like xml based API

I guess libmapi API will be largely the same and adapt internally as needed to use the alternate API and transport.

Sam



[#] Wed Jun 24 2009 04:55:11 EDT from samjam @ Uncensored

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Wed Jun 10 2009 11:58:23 am EDT EDT from t1 @ Uncensored Subject: Migration tool in 7.60


samjam:
Having the same problem when trying to reply... NOT FOUND
Maybe samjam can give us an hand here?!

I just wait and then refresh until it works again.


If we are moving than one year away is better than being stopped.



 



[#] Wed Jun 24 2009 10:11:41 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

Subject: Re: Migration tool in 7.60

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I'll believe that MAPI is "de-emphasized" when Outlook no longer uses it.

[#] Mon Jul 13 2009 15:00:12 EDT from t1 @ Uncensored

Subject: Re: Roadmap for Citadel 7.60>>>Integration Windows 2003 Active Directory

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Tic Tac Tic Tac Tic Tac

 

Sun May 03 2009 10:38:48 PM EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored Subject: Re: Roadmap for Citadel 7.60>>>Integration Windows 2003 Active Directory
"Soon" in this case will be measured in weeks, not months. The new features have already been completed and are undergoing some final QA. There are a few other things we need to polish up in other areas as well.

 



[#] Mon Jul 13 2009 15:58:20 EDT from dothebart @ Uncensored

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do you know whats the biggest advance in FLOSS? It doesn't hunt and follow comercial timelines and tries to release code when its ready for primetime.

do you know whats one of the biggest drawbacks in FLOSS? It doesn't hunt and follow comercial timelines and isn't released when you whish it would be.

But!

you can help!

follow SVN Head on your installation, use for example Valgrind to find bugs and report them back to us, so the next release comes earlier.



[#] Mon Jul 13 2009 16:20:42 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

Subject: Re: Roadmap for Citadel 7.60>>>Integration Windows 2003 Active Directory

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Based on the number of new features that have been checked in to the tree during a feature freeze, the next version of Citadel is now expected to be released on January 19, 2038. It might be later than that but I only have a 32-bit system.

[#] Mon Jul 13 2009 16:57:40 EDT from t1 @ Uncensored

Subject: Re: Roadmap for Citadel 7.60>>>Integration Windows 2003 Active Directory

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ah,so besides the AD integration, release 7.60 is also planting a man on the moon :)

May 3

Roadmap for Citadel 7.60

http://www.citadel.org/doku.php?id=news:start

 

It's been a long journey with you guys, 2 years i think. But talking about travelling, maybe it's time to pack my bags and and the the express lane somewhere else :), plenty of tickets available.

Going to have dinner and will drop back to write my thoughts about your website and this BBS support forum and GPL. Nothing negative, positive critics that might help you guys in the future.

 

 

 

Mon Jul 13 2009 04:20:42 PM EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored Subject: Re: Roadmap for Citadel 7.60>>>Integration Windows 2003 Active Directory
Based on the number of new features that have been checked in to the tree during a feature freeze, the next version of Citadel is now expected to be released on January 19, 2038. It might be later than that but I only have a 32-bit system.

 



[#] Mon Jul 13 2009 18:19:09 EDT from dothebart @ Uncensored

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Thanks. your criticism will arive right after your first contribution.



[#] Mon Jul 13 2009 19:37:21 EDT from t1 @ Uncensored

Subject: Integration with Windows 2003 Active Directory

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Listen... why should I contribute. I'm an user. Do you realalize that USER. spelled userssss :)

The best contribution a user can give is actually to use your software and recommend, publicize it. Done both. Even voted for you guys for best enterprise software, which I'm sorry I have done, not because of the software itself but because if some of the socio-pats behind it :) Again I'm an user, that's all you can expect from me. But funny enough was going to contribute with my webcit template.

I really don't understand the bitterness from you guys. I think it's money or the lack of it.... don't really know... In any case it's funny the way you use GPL to excuse everything except the fact that you are obnoxious, unprofessional. I had never seen software administrators addressing users like you do here. You retarded, unpolished, useless answer is just an example of it. Just giving GPL a bad name. Why don't you spend more time in the support forum helping people, well maybe because it's not actually a support forum.

Seen it over and over again in the so called support forum:) Always the same... contribution and GPL. It's just an obnoxious attitude from people that launch a project (maybe they shouldn't) and can't stand any improvement requests or criticism. Please get out of your little hole and go to proper open source (FREE) support forums... ex joomla. Also go to school and learn manners:), you are clearly missing personal skills to give support.

Ok... was going to talk about your useless website and search engine, ah yes the your pre-historic BBS support :).... I think joomla as everything you guys need for website and support, even conduct relating to users :) You guys clearly don't desert any more comments. Please continue your best efforts to act as human beings.

Remember not to use GPL as a constant reminder of your failures, lack of abilities, unprofessionalisms and lack of manners :)


Which you guys the best

 

Mon Jul 13 2009 06:19:09 PM EDT from dothebart @ Uncensored

Thanks. your criticism will arive right after your first contribution.



 



[#] Mon Jul 13 2009 22:35:34 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

Subject: Integration with Windows 2003 Active Directory

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Wow, if that was your idea of "nothing negative" then I'd hate to see what you would have written if you didn't like us.


As with any volunteer-driven software project, we do the best we can with the resources we have available.  As such, we have to prioritize, by level of impact, the things we spend our time on.  Unfortunately not everyone can be at the front of the queue.  In this case, our release date slipped again because some new code appeared which I didn't expect to see -- I've already made some complaints internally about new code appearing in the tree during a feature freeze.  Hopefully this will not happen again, but it's our problem to deal with.

In the meantime, we would prefer to release the new version when we feel it has met our quality standards than to allow buggy code to trash people's groupware servers.  I've been there, and it isn't a happy place.  It's what motivated me to start transforming Citadel into a groupware server more than a decade ago.

Yes, the release date slipped, and for this I apologize.  If this is not acceptable given the circumstances then perhaps free software is not for you



[#] Tue Jul 14 2009 04:03:51 EDT from dothebart @ Uncensored

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All I'm hearing from you is "could" "should"  "have to".

You know, its like you showing up to a bottle party with empty hands. Everybody brought his part, and is willing to share it with you. But instead of being thankfull and enjoying the party, you start complaining that the beer doesn't meet your standard. Your demand for champaign and havanas isn't served adequately. The hosts wife doesn't show up frequently enough to entertain you.

So, you spoiled everybody else the party, found new friends, ay?



[#] Tue Jul 14 2009 06:20:42 EDT from fleeb @ Uncensored

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It's actually somewhat encouraging that t1 opted to take this approach.

He's frustrated because the software is very close to what he wants, but not quite.  He doesn't want to go to something else, but he must in order to accomplish his goals.

Which means he really, really wants to use Citadel, but it's just not quite what he needs.  He has an emotional investment, or he'd just walk away without saying anything.

When I compare free support from non-free support, I do generally see a difference.

The non-free support almost always sucks up abuse from customers and puts forth some pleasant tone.  But, in the end, they have to prioritize, too... and if they can't adjust their product to your needs (because your needs are too specialized or something), you have absolutely no recourse whatsoever.  You'll get a lot of happy 'sorry we couldn't help you' stuff from them, no matter how nasty you act towards them.

The free, volunteer-driven support isn't quite that pleasant.  If you're pushy to them, they'll push right back.  There is no boss behind the volunteer to keep behavior in check.  They work according to their schedule as well as they can, and they'll be brutally honest with you about when they can get to something, since they don't really have anything to lose.  If you act nasty to them, they'll just not have anything to do with you (at best).  And, honestly, how else can one expect a volunteer to act?  If you went to one of those places that gives food to the homeless, and started complaining that they didn't have the particular kind of vegetable you wanted, I suspect you'd get a similar reaction... especially if you get ugly with them.  And having worked with volunteer choir members, I know what would happen if you did this kind of thing to a church choir.

But... you still have recourse when working with open-source software.  Although you yourself may not be a coder, you can still hire someone else to address whatever you want addressed, and have the changes submitted as a patch towards the open-source software (hopefully for inclusion in the main branch).  You don't even have that recourse with closed-source, since nobody can see the source but the folks who own the software.  It might cost you something, which sucks, but at least you can do something about it.



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