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[#] Wed Feb 01 2006 00:08:41 EST from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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It's an interesting view of how difficult it was to keep a development effort from fragmenting, back when telecom was expensive, and there wasn't a generally well understood process for collaborative development.

[#] Wed Feb 01 2006 01:48:23 EST from idget @ God-Empresses Domain

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Fleeb -- they were both working the other day.  The link to anticlimactic.org is giving a 'forbidden' error tonight though and the other one seems to have aquired some stray invisible characters when I pasted it here. 

 

Trying again for the link to the source code...

http://anticlimactic.org/Citadel/FredsCitadel/fc41src.zip 



[#] Wed Feb 01 2006 01:50:16 EST from idget @ God-Empresses Domain

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still has a ^A at the end of the URL.  works if you strip that, though...

 



[#] Wed Feb 01 2006 01:52:07 EST from idget @ God-Empresses Domain

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Try this for getting to the Cit history stuff -- http://www.anticlimactic.org/Citadel/

 I hope the odd stuff isn't appended to the end of this one



[#] Wed Feb 01 2006 08:06:03 EST from fleeb @ Uncensored

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Ah... I acquired the source code that time... thanks, idget!

IG's right, though... it is a fascinating sort of view into what happens in the early days when source code was given away. Fragmentation was omnipresent in Citadel, as well as a variety of fights over some arcane details.

[#] Sun Feb 12 2006 22:26:03 EST from harry @ Haven BBS

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;-) Reminds me a little bit of the "Which flavor of Liinux are you running?" debate.

I hope that people understand that that was meant as humor, not an attack, and I don't get flamed for heresy.

[#] Mon Feb 13 2006 20:29:28 EST from idget @ God-Empresses Domain

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More like the Mac vs. PC wars of the same era, actually. Far more vicious than the Linux debates.

 
I won't be flaming you for heresy -- I was BBS-agnostic at the time and ran GremCit, MavenCit and Maximus simultaneously on my 386sx16...  All were networked, all could be accessed either through Frodo, as door programs from each other and from console.  This meant that sometimes there were 2 users logged in to one or another of them at the same time, one at console and one on the modem line.

Feb 12 2006 7:25pm from harry@haven (Haven BBS)


;-) Reminds me a little bit of the "Which flavor of Liinux are you running?" debate.

I hope that people understand that that was meant as humor, not an attack, and I don't get flamed for heresy.


[#] Mon Feb 13 2006 21:33:30 EST from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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I was running a BBS on unix back in the days when *nobody* did that. Multiuser was a breeze because that's just the OS was built for. MS-DOS and MacOS sysops had to jump through hoops to do things that unix just did all the time anyway.

*sigh* Sometimes I really miss my Altos and my Z-19 terminal.

[#] Mon Feb 13 2006 23:53:34 EST from harry @ Uncensored

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Fragmentation of implementations of Citadel BBS'es back then still resembles, to me, the plethora of flavors of Linux. Seems like every day I hear about a new (to me) flavor of Linux. It's kinda weird, coming from a MSFT background.

ALthough there were diferent versions of CP/M back in the day - 8080, Z80, 68000, and so on.

[#] Tue Feb 14 2006 03:21:37 EST from Grey Wolf @ PixelBBS

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Reminds me of the ueber-useless CP/M mode my C=128 had. ;)

[#] Tue Feb 14 2006 11:08:47 EST from roue @ Dog Pound BBS II

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C'mon, CP/M on a C=128 was awesome. Wordstar was better than speedscript any day. Er. Okay ,, maybe you're right, Grey Wolf. It's been a long time since I saw that handle...

[#] Tue Feb 14 2006 12:32:50 EST from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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CP/M on a C=128 allowed you to run early versions of Citadel! This is something you simply could not do in either of the other modes. (Yes, I know about Citadel-64, and it doesn't count.)

[#] Tue Feb 14 2006 12:35:52 EST from LoanShark @ Uncensored

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Did CP/M on a c128 require a Z-80 coprocessor card, like running CP/M on the Apple did?

[#] Tue Feb 14 2006 13:22:39 EST from roue @ Dog Pound BBS II

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It did require a Z-80 .. and the C-128 was a dual proc box. 6502ish something and a z-80. Cool beans, eh?

[#] Tue Feb 14 2006 13:20:09 EST from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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Yes, but the Z-80 processor was built in to every C=128.

[#] Tue Feb 14 2006 18:09:12 EST from Curly Surmudgeon @ Haven BBS

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CPM ran just fine on a TRS-80 IV and so did Citadel.

[#] Tue Feb 14 2006 19:22:34 EST from idget @ God-Empresses Domain

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<nostalgia> I miss my C=128, and the old KayPro II, and I really miss having halls in Citadel... </nostalgia>


[#] Tue Feb 14 2006 20:18:26 EST from Peter Pulse @ Uncensored

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That was Stonehenge.

[#] Tue Feb 14 2006 21:34:41 EST from hrbrmstr @ Uncensored

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so, who's up to port Citadel to a postgresql back end? *:^) seriosly, tho, any idea what oracle is really up to and is there a contingency in case they get all close-source about the whole thing?

[#] Tue Feb 14 2006 22:30:38 EST from the8088er @ Uncensored

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Spork em

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