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[#] Thu Nov 24 2005 04:47:51 EST from prosthetik @ Uncensored

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oh wow, webcit has come a long way...

 

i have revived a heavy tweaked webcit interface at 24.67.192.4, but i can see that i should investigate the latest source code for ssl support! cool!



[#] Thu Nov 24 2005 19:24:46 EST from wizard of aahz @ Uncensored

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prosthetik - Yes. You absolutely should.. Webcit has become quite the productivity tool.

[#] Thu Nov 24 2005 22:56:47 EST from prosthetik @ Uncensored

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V6.31!!!! 

...  wow.

i ditched frames in my poor hack of webcit 5.0 and also due to my very novice c skills and paranoia i abandoned network rooms and file transfers aw well. also, by default, i didn't strip html from messages entered from webcit but i can see that you have a very nice toolbar now in the editor to make it even easier.

i guess i'm willing to share any tweaks i've done to the webcit at 24.67.192.4, but i imagine that a lot of it is pure novelty to you older dogs at this point. i played, mostly.

one thing i've always wanted to do is place the message editor below a display of the last 5 messages so that people can refer to the previous message and/or quote easier.

nice to see citadel/UX and webcit alive. somewhere, the spirit of my Amiga 1000 is bouncing a bob of a checkered red sphere in rapture!



[#] Fri Nov 25 2005 10:21:44 EST from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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prosthetik: what you might be able to do, is implement your site's "look" as an alternative stylesheet for the current system. That would make a nice "skin" and it would also quickly point out if there are any locations in the system where something is not skinnable that ought to be.

[#] Fri Nov 25 2005 11:46:25 EST from dothebart @ Uncensored

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localization should be here a point that could become a problem, because of templates are not localized in the actual aproach...

Packaging would get interesting in that case too, the templates would have to go into an own package i think, which is

named like citadel-webcit-sty-classic or so... 



[#] Sat Nov 26 2005 10:07:08 EST from fleeb @ Uncensored

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If you want to make it so you can see previous messages while entering a new one, may I suggest floating the enter-message window as a separate window, so you can continue to look at other messages?

Otherwise, you may find it difficult to both edit and view the message you want to use.



[#] Sun Dec 04 2005 11:48:44 EST from prosthetik @ Uncensored

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regarding the stylesheet concept; i found that i made changes to both the static directory, made good use of .png files for graphics and made changes to roomops.c, messages.c and auth.c especially so using the style would either involve a re-compile by the end user, the distribution of patches... i've introducted some constants that would be better off in webcit.h...

my changes would not be reflected throughout the entire webcit distribution. i've disabled a lot of features on purpose. it might provide an interesting tangent.  

 i have the latest source, i'm going to do a compare, import most of my changes, remember to run the indent script, and then maybe what i have will be worth poking at by others as a potential style.

 regarding floating the editor window, that's kind of a neat idea but due to my limited understanding of what occurs during a session i wanted to keep everything in one frame, in one open browser.



[#] Sun Dec 04 2005 11:53:32 EST from prosthetik @ Uncensored

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er, that was kind of sleep-deprived. drop a 'both' and an 'either' and the message above reads much nicer.


[#] Thu Jan 19 2006 10:40:56 EST from fleeb @ Uncensored

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I just noticed, for the first time, that there's something called 'FredCit' on SourceForge.

Here's the description SourceForge gives for this project:

Fred's Citadel BBS, part of the ongoing development of room based Citadel BBS systems.

Supposedly, you can download it right now.. but when I try either the project page, or the download page, it times out. So, I don't really know if this is available.

[#] Thu Jan 19 2006 11:03:25 EST from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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I saw that, and also noticed that it has had no activity since 2002. The project appears to have been abandoned. There was also a java-based Citadel project with the same status.

[#] Thu Jan 19 2006 13:15:07 EST from fleeb @ Uncensored

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I looked briefly at the java-based Citadel project, and saw that it never even got off the ground.

[#] Thu Jan 19 2006 22:40:15 EST from harry @ Uncensored

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[#] Thu Jan 19 2006 22:45:04 EST from harry @ Uncensored

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 Gotta learn how to type someday.

  I was gonna say, I think FredCit was here in the Seattle area, if my memory serves me right.  But that was a long time ago.  I'll have to check with another old BBS sysop friend of mine, Just-George.  He used to run a BBS called Jolly-Time.

 

  I'll have to get back to you on this though.    The phone is ringing.  He answers.  And the answer is.......

 

  Yup.  It was here in the Seattle Area, about the same time as DragonCit, StoneHenge, IronHenge. etc, etc.

 



[#] Thu Jan 26 2006 18:23:51 EST from idget @ My System

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FredCit was actually contemporary with GremCit (Citadel+) and MavenCit, not the 'Henges.  It was in most ways a very conservative Citadel, the core code being directly from DragCit.  It was a one-man project, Fred McLain did the whole thing himself.  (Yes, I counted him as a friend at the time and still number him among my acquaintances.)  The thing FredCit did better than any of its contemporaries was handling external programs ('doors') -- any 'door program' which could be run on a 'linear' bbs would work with FredCit.  If Fred would have shared his software, I would probably have run it instead of MavenCit when I first got into Sysoping way back when.  He eventually made FredCit available to others, but that was at the very end of the BBS era in Seattle. 

Idget (who was fond of Minibins back in the day) 



[#] Thu Jan 26 2006 18:30:49 EST from idget @ My System

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[#] Thu Jan 26 2006 19:23:18 EST from idget @ My System

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[#] Thu Jan 26 2006 19:30:22 EST from idget @ My System

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My memory was playing tricks on me...  FredCit was descended from TurboCit, one of the first derivatives of DragCit.


[#] Sat Jan 28 2006 22:23:16 EST from harry @ Dog Pound BBS II

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Thanks, Idget.

[#] Tue Jan 31 2006 20:37:11 EST from Ian M. Shot @ Haven BBS

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Thanks idget.   I find a lot of the Citadel History very facinating.  There were so many variations, from so many different places. 


[#] Tue Jan 31 2006 21:27:00 EST from fleeb @ Uncensored

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Neither URL worked for me.

One gives me 'forbidden' (bad permissions), and the other goes nowhere.

I'm fascinated by Citadel history as well.  It's richer than most BBS history. 



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