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[#] Sun Mar 29 2015 16:48:09 EDT from Currerius @ Uncensored

Subject: Re: Newbee - how to use Citadel without webkit

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Thanks dothbart, sorry, yes, "webCit" like Citadel of course it is :)

The link to the system_administration_manual is definitely what I was looking for. True this is another protocol in itself, but I got used to SMTP and IMAP, so the BBS protocol seems not to bad.

Why on earth comes courier-imap alone with a 60MB footprint when

aptitude install citadel-mta

reports

After unpacking 2,162 kB will be used.

2MB!?!

And after installing citadel is listening and working on all ports?! nc localhost 25 and 143 are working. openssl s_client myserversfqdn:993 working.

My jaw is still on the floor. I had such a hassle coming to terms with qmail, stunnel, openssl, ssh you name it and citadel just fires everything up, even a working webinterface, CMS.

Why on earth would one use anything else, unless there are some downsides? Any thoughts?

Anyway, very interesting and thanks again for my next adventure into FOSS.

R

 



[#] Mon Mar 30 2015 07:42:19 EDT from dothebart @ Uncensored

Subject: Re: Newbee - how to use Citadel without webkit

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Sun Mar 29 2015 16:48:09 EDTfrom Currerius @ Uncensored Subject: Re: Newbee - how to use Citadel without webkit

Thanks dothbart, sorry, yes, "webCit" like Citadel of course it is :)

The link to the system_administration_manual is definitely what I was looking for. True this is another protocol in itself, but I got used to SMTP and IMAP, so the BBS protocol seems not to bad.

Why on earth comes courier-imap alone with a 60MB footprint when

aptitude install citadel-mta

reports

After unpacking 2,162 kB will be used.

2MB!?!

There is. its C ;-) Maybe some of the dependend libraries aren't in these 2mb - berkeley DB, openssl, libical, libsieve, libexpat, libev & libc-ares. But yes, its got a very small footprint and is known to work well on smaller / older hardware.

Imho QMail was a cutting edge solution in terms of security in the late 90'ies. Its further development was mainly hindered by the license, and DJB considering it feature complete. In the end you couldn't run an un-patched qmail, and you ended up loading it with huge chunks of patches, making compilation & installation a nightmare. I think it became obsolete with the appearance of postfix 2.0, Running qmail nowadays i'd mostly consider a question if time has no value.

 

And after installing citadel is listening and working on all ports?! nc localhost 25 and 143 are working. openssl s_client myserversfqdn:993 working.

My jaw is still on the floor. I had such a hassle coming to terms with qmail, stunnel, openssl, ssh you name it and citadel just fires everything up, even a working webinterface, CMS.

Why on earth would one use anything else, unless there are some downsides? Any thoughts?

Anyway, very interesting and thanks again for my next adventure into FOSS.

R

For shure the simplicity comes at some cost; It doesn't implement all features one may imagine an MTA could offer - like being configured as a backup mx, or a relay etc. (as they do already exist, why add another?) However, Citadel brings all what you need to set up a Mail Hub for your users - be it imap clients or webmail users. Thats what its intended for, and thats what it can do very well.

And yes, its ready for service at the snip of a finger.



[#] Mon Mar 30 2015 07:48:54 EDT from dothebart @ Uncensored

Subject: Re: Citadel jabber

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Wed Mar 25 2015 11:17:50 EDT from masscream @ Uncensored Subject: Citadel jabber

Hello,

I need an advice please regarding Citadel jabber function and connection via pidgin client. I am running Citadel 8.24 with WebCit 8.24, server build 8.2 on ubuntu server edition. I have tried connecting to my user account via pidgin, but it seems to not work. My port 5222 which is also set as a default jabber port is opened on my router as well as ports for other functional services. In pidgin settings/advanced I choose security "Use encryption if available" (the other options do not work as well) and I also tick Allow plaintext option (even if not). Despite that settings everytime I try to connect i get "Unknown error". Pidgin Debug log shows me this

(16:02:01) jabber: Recv (ssl)(37): <iq type="error" id="purple152fa73e">
(16:02:01) jabber: Recv (ssl)(41): <error>Don't know howto do 'set'!</error>
(16:02:01) jabber: Recv (ssl)(5): </iq>
(16:02:01) connection: purple_connection_error_reason called with NULL description
(16:02:01) connection: Connection error on 0x7ff96e164310 (reason: 0 description: Unknown error)
(16:02:01) account: Disconnecting account masscream@xmpp.*****.net/ (0x7ff96f1d4530)
(16:02:01) connection: Disconnecting connection 0x7ff96e164310

It is not only pidgin client which has trouble connecting to citadel as a xmpp server and I can't also connect to your server (uncensored.citadel.org) with same trouble. Am I doing anything wrong or is it some kind of issue? Please, help.

 

Tomas



hm, I tried to reproduce this with pidgin-2.10.11; It would show some error on first start, but on reconnecting it would work flawless?



[#] Mon Mar 30 2015 16:00:56 EDT from Currerius @ Uncensored

Subject: Re: Newbee - how to use Citadel without webkit

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Again thanks. And yes, Citadel *really* works on the snap of a finger. I cannot believe it. I did not so much webapplications the last years, but had my share of LAMP stacks, Wordpress CMS and qmail and Citadel beats it all. Now the only thing I have to work out is the cheap Comodo Cert which I have to chain manually. It is already working but not trusted, since the chain is not ok.

There is one thing I would like to point out to you folks and that is

http://haraka.github.io/

I used it with qmail (and that made *all* patches obsolete!) and it rocks and adds the relay capabilities.

Haraka running in front of citadel (moving citadels smtp listener to 2525 and relaying with haraka from 25) is so easy to setup and allows massive concurrency and flexibility.

Just a hint.

I will post back, when SSL is running since it is an open question in the support "room" (such a cool abstraction!).

Kind regards,

R

 



[#] Mon Mar 30 2015 16:09:25 EDT from dothebart @ Uncensored

Subject: Re: Newbee - how to use Citadel without webkit

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[#] Tue Mar 31 2015 10:41:22 EDT from ktamborellialert-data.com @ Uncensored

Subject: Server wont start

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Exit Code 22 when I try to Start



[#] Tue Mar 31 2015 11:52:48 EDT from TaMeR @ Uncensored to Citadel Support <citadel_support@citadel.org>

Subject: Re: how to save month worth of incoming email for all users

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As harryc says Journaling, or you can copy all incoming email via Sieve
to a backup room (folder) and set that room to expire messages older
then 30 days.

The backup room can be public or private, a single room for all
accounts, or admin only room, or user only room. Where flexible as you
can see.

Sieve must be configured for each account, where as Journaling can be
configured side wide.

Journaling I think must be done to an external account, where as Sieve
may be contained with in the same citadel installation.


On 03/24/2015 11:00 PM, Motty Cruz wrote:

Hello All,
I would like to use Citadel, it meets all the requirements my customer
has, except they want to be able to save a month worth of incoming email
in case someone deletes an email. any suggestions?

Thanks,
motty

[#] Wed Apr 01 2015 10:55:37 EDT from Currerius @ Uncensored

Subject: Is it possible to change smtp from 25 to 2525 on the commandline?

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Hi folks,

sorry for posting this in the lobby - I googled the question and was redirected to a thread of posts and appended it at the end and discovered only afterwards that it was the lobby (still a bit unfamiliar with the rooms concept). No flames please.

Is it possible to change smtp from 25 to 2525 *on the linux commandline* (i.e. with the startup scripts)?

Thanks,

Renard



[#] Wed Apr 01 2015 11:38:15 EDT from dothebart @ Uncensored

Subject: Re: Is it possible to change smtp from 25 to 2525 on the commandline?

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you can use sendcommand with

http://citadel.org/doku.php/documentation:appproto:system_config#conf.get.or.set.global.configuration.options

alternative you can do

export CITADEL_c_smtp_port=24525

and call citadel setup.

It maps most settings mentioned on the CONF documentation to environment variables.

Its also used for our debconf integration.



[#] Wed Apr 01 2015 11:56:08 EDT from dothebart @ Uncensored

Subject: Re: Is it possible to change smtp from 25 to 2525 on the commandline?

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I have to correct myself - the setup way was commented out by some funny guy.

you have to use sendcommand or the citadel commandline client.



[#] Wed Apr 01 2015 15:20:01 EDT from e-ed @ Uncensored

Subject: rejected mail and logs

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I have been getting the following error for about a day and do not know why:

The error that the other server returned was:
550 You must log in to send mail on this port.

I have tried to set debug logs on the server but I cannot find where the logs are recorded.

1. How do I fix this error (what is the actual source of this error)?

2. Where do I find log files once enabled?

 

Ed



[#] Wed Apr 01 2015 17:36:52 EDT from "Motty Cruz" <motty.cruz@gmail.com> to citadel_support@citadel.org, room_Citadel_Support <room_citadel_support@uncensored.citadel.org>

Subject: Re: [Citadel Support] Temporary MTA failure on relaying Amavisd-newCitade

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Thanks Stefan,
by any chance can you point to "HowTo" for the setup you mentioned. If I intall postfix in front of Citadel how would Postfix validate email address, list only available to Citadel. not sure if I make sense.

Thanks,
Motty
On 03/28/2015 03:39 AM, Stefan Jakobs wrote:

Hi,

Hello,
I am trying to configure Amavisd-new with Citadel. I installed Citadel
on Ubuntu using the following guide:
https://www.linode.com/docs/email/citadel/email-with-citadel-on-ubuntu-12-04-lts-precise-pangolin

I enable spamassassin, but I can't figure out how to configure Citadel
to use Amavisd-new. Any suggestions?

Most people would combine amavisd-new with postfix: --smtp-> postfix --smtp-> amavisd --smtp-> postfix --lmtp-> citadel

But you could also setup amavisd-new as proxy and have citadel listen on some other port:

/etc/amavisd.conf:
...
$inet_socket_port = 25
$forward_method = 'lmtp:/var/run/citadel/lmtp.socket'
$notify_method = 'lmtp:/var/run/citadel/lmtp.socket'

Then disable citadel-mta make it listen on some other port than 25. This setup should work for small sites, but it isn't recommended for sites with a lot of traffic.

Thanks in advance,
Motty

Regards
Stefan




[#] Wed Apr 01 2015 18:37:51 EDT from "tkirby2605" <tkirby2605@verizon.net> to <citadel_support@citadel.org>

Subject: PLEASE remove from mailing list

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Please remove my email address from your list.

Please delete my account.

 

From: Motty Cruz [mailto:motty.cruz@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, April 1, 2015 5:37 PM
To: citadel_support@citadel.org; room_Citadel_Support
Subject: Re: [Citadel Support] Temporary MTA failure on relaying Amavisd-newCitade

 

Thanks Stefan,
by any chance can you point to "HowTo" for the setup you mentioned. If I intall postfix in front of Citadel how would Postfix validate email address, list only available to Citadel. not sure if I make sense.

Thanks,
Motty

On 03/28/2015 03:39 AM, Stefan Jakobs wrote:

Hi,

Hello,
I am trying to configure Amavisd-new with Citadel. I installed Citadel
on Ubuntu using the following guide:
https://www.linode.com/docs/email/citadel/email-with-citadel-on-ubuntu-12-04-lts-precise-pangolin

I enable spamassassin, but I can't figure out how to configure Citadel
to use Amavisd-new. Any suggestions?

Most people would combine amavisd-new with postfix: --smtp-> postfix --smtp-> amavisd --smtp-> postfix --lmtp-> citadel

But you could also setup amavisd-new as proxy and have citadel listen on some other port:

/etc/amavisd.conf:
...
$inet_socket_port = 25
$forward_method = 'lmtp:/var/run/citadel/lmtp.socket'
$notify_method = 'lmtp:/var/run/citadel/lmtp.socket'

Then disable citadel-mta make it listen on some other port than 25. This setup should work for small sites, but it isn't recommended for sites with a lot of traffic.

Thanks in advance,
Motty

Regards
Stefan

 



[#] Wed Apr 01 2015 18:56:36 EDT from dothebart @ Uncensored

Subject: Re: [Citadel Support] Temporary MTA failure on relaying Amavisd-newCitade

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[#] Wed Apr 01 2015 18:56:03 EDT from dothebart @ Uncensored

Subject: Re: rejected mail and logs

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Wed Apr 01 2015 15:20:01 EDTfrom e-ed @ Uncensored Subject: rejected mail and logs

I have been getting the following error for about a day and do not know why:

The error that the other server returned was:
550 You must log in to send mail on this port.

I have tried to set debug logs on the server but I cannot find where the logs are recorded.

1. How do I fix this error (what is the actual source of this error)?

this usually happenes if a remote system sends mail from a domain that your specific citadel is configured to be serving. In this case you _have_ to authenticate. If its cronsjobs or whatever use msmtp with auth.

 

2. Where do I find log files once enabled?

Ed

depends on your syslog facility.  Its writing into the mail-facility; you can en/disable particular debug logs, smtp server protocol logs are one of them.



[#] Wed Apr 01 2015 18:57:29 EDT from dothebart @ Uncensored

Subject: Re: PLEASE remove from mailing list

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this is a self service list, do it yourself.



[#] Thu Apr 02 2015 04:15:49 EDT from Voivod @ Uncensored

Subject: How to continue a Draft email?

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Hi,

This should be obvious but none of the links do the trick for me [Reply] [ReplyAll] [Forward].

Give me hint please

-vovivod



[#] Thu Apr 02 2015 08:58:26 EDT from Currerius @ Uncensored

Subject: Re: Is it possible to change smtp from 25 to 2525 on the commandline?

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Thank you.

sendcommand

seems to do the job. It is not mentioned anywhere in the documentation of CONF SET.

so first i netcat'ed into the citadel prompt and then did the conf get and conf set but then could not figure out how to quit out of the

conf set

dialogue and ended up messing up the whole config.

Then even purging and reinstalling citadel-suite did not reset the configuration.

Guys, Citadel is jaw dropping amazing but your are *A* esoteric community :D

Is there not anywhere a feature list of

- utilities

- client programs

 - daemons

- interfaces (unix shell, port 504, ...? )

- configuration files

- user db (location, format)

- content db (location, format)

where one can have a overview over the modularity of Citadel.

I am thinking along the lines of http://www.nrg4u.com/ - the big qmail picture...

Again a bit length story here, but it is driven by my (suspiciously manic) enthusiasm for Citadel. You guys somehow seem to be the groupware equivalent of a guy who figured out a 1TW cold fusion reactor in his basement and uses it to lighten the Christmas holiday lights in his garden and melt the snow in the driveway - all the way chuckling to himself about the rest of the world paying bills and using salt...

I mean - read the qpsmtpd introduction - apache.org and pearl.org decommissioned server hardware after qpsmtpd took the spam load from the postfix boxes, since apparently postfix does not check deliverablity at rcpt_to time (as qmail does not either). Therefore I installed Haraka (= qpsmtpd in node.js = more modern, faster, efficient).

Citadel does everything I used weeks to configure in qpsmtpd/haraka *out of the box*!!! spamassassin, clamavd, check_deliverable, dnsbl :O WTF?? IMAP, IMAPS, TLS, AUTH, smart hosts, relaying after auth, ... !!! Scaling over multiple nodes with user distributed over the cluster!!

I am stunned.

I feel I want to hug and kick you at the same time,

sorry for being a bit lunatic here,

Renard



[#] Thu Apr 02 2015 11:29:34 EDT from dothebart @ Uncensored

Subject: Re: Is it possible to change smtp from 25 to 2525 on the commandline?

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the citadel.org site has all the documentation.

Its got several main sections:

 - the faq with usecase based documentation

 - the documentation section, which has the citadel protocol spec (you read the conf part already I guess), the manpages for the different components

 - http://citadel.org/doku.php/installation:source with a list of 3rd party contributions

 - http://citadel.org/doku.php/faq:generalquestions:i_want_to_automate with some tiny scripts

if you want to wrap your mind around citadel you should read or at least quick scroll over some of them, and if you miss particular information in some articles ask for more details here.



[#] Thu Apr 02 2015 11:37:33 EDT from "Motty Cruz" <motty.cruz@gmail.com> to citadel_support@citadel.org, Motty Cruz <motty.cruz@gmail.com>

Subject: Re: [Citadel Support] Re: Is it possible to change smtp from 25 to2525 on the commandline?

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I believe this may be a helpful link:
http://www.citadel.org/doku.php/faq:installation:configuring_postfix_to_validate_email_addresses_against_a_citadel_server

Thanks,
Motty

On 04/02/2015 08:29 AM, dothebart wrote:

the citadel.org site has all the documentation.

Its got several main sections:

- the faq with usecase based documentation

- the documentation section, which has the citadel protocol spec (you
read the conf part already I guess), the manpages for the different
components

- http://citadel.org/doku.php/installation:source with a list of 3rd
party contributions

- http://citadel.org/doku.php/faq:generalquestions:i_want_to_automate
with some tiny scripts

if you want to wrap your mind around citadel you should read or at
least quick scroll over some of them, and if you miss particular
information in some articles ask for more details here.

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