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[#] Tue Mar 24 2015 11:15:51 EDT from "heather" <heather@trans-world.org> to citadel_support@citadel.org

Subject: Re: [Citadel Support] Re: Can we seperate thecitadeladminbackendfromfrontend webcit?

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I don't understand, do you mean I can use Thunderbird to replace the
front end citadel webmail part?????



On 2015-03-24 09:39, harryc wrote:
re: Webcit

Notice that Thunderbird with the Lightening calendaring addon, among
many others is a very very functional 'front end' to citadel for those
who don't like webcit. If having a web interface is essential, any
out there that use php and can deal with an IMAP back end work 100%.
POP3 is also an option, but less capable.

The biggest beauty of citadel is in the server. Webcit does all the
administration stuff you'd need, there is some tech/admin stuff that
can only be done at the command line or using the text client but
that's mostly disaster recovery, migrating to new systems, etc. You
could imagine limiting webcit to admin use, and using other
open-source choices for front ends.

[#] Tue Mar 24 2015 17:00:38 EDT from "Motty Cruz" <motty.cruz@gmail.com> to citadel_support@citadel.org

Subject: how to save month worth of incoming email for all users

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Hello All,
I would like to use Citadel, it meets all the requirements my customer
has, except they want to be able to save a month worth of incoming email
in case someone deletes an email. any suggestions?

Thanks,
motty

[#] Wed Mar 25 2015 09:44:31 EDT from harryc @ Uncensored to citadel_support@citadel.org

Subject: Re: how to save month worth of incoming email for all users

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On 03/24/2015 04:00 PM, Motty Cruz wrote:

Hello All,
I would like to use Citadel, it meets all the requirements my customer
has, except they want to be able to save a month worth of incoming
email in case someone deletes an email. any suggestions?

Thanks,
motty

Create a 'journaling' email destination, either on another citadel
server or some email client that can auto-purge messages 30+ days old.

[#] Wed Mar 25 2015 09:52:14 EDT from harryc @ Uncensored to citadel_support@citadel.org

Subject: Re: [Citadel Support] Re: Can we seperate thecitadeladminbackendfromfrontendwebcit?

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On 03/24/2015 10:15 AM, heather wrote:

I don't understand, do you mean I can use Thunderbird to replace the
front end citadel webmail part?????



On 2015-03-24 09:39, harryc wrote:
re: Webcit

Notice that Thunderbird with the Lightening calendaring addon, among
many others is a very very functional 'front end' to citadel for those
who don't like webcit. If having a web interface is essential, any
out there that use php and can deal with an IMAP back end work 100%.
POP3 is also an option, but less capable.

The biggest beauty of citadel is in the server. Webcit does all the
administration stuff you'd need, there is some tech/admin stuff that
can only be done at the command line or using the text client but
that's mostly disaster recovery, migrating to new systems, etc. You
could imagine limiting webcit to admin use, and using other
open-source choices for front ends.


Well, 'replace' is a strong word. The webcit front end is hard to beat
for reading news and conversation stream sort of posts. What citadel
would call 'rooms'. However I use Thunderbird as my citadel browser for
all the stuff you'd normally call 'private email'. Citadel does a good
job supporting the most functional email server protocol supporting
email readers: imap. Imap's approach is that the email and folders for
each reader are maintained on the server, the better to support email
readers who use more than one device to access their content.

And remember that webcit is the way most will set up 'I'm on vacation
now' and related autorespons things.

And there's an older protocol that generally is used to transfer email
permanently from servers like citadel to clients, pop3, that citadel
also supports. That one is better suited to folks who have only one
computer they use to access email. It's also a better choice for folks
who have computers that are regularly backed up and citadel servers that
are not regularly backed up.

[#] Wed Mar 25 2015 11:17:50 EDT from masscream @ Uncensored

Subject: Citadel jabber

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Hello,

I need an advice please regarding Citadel jabber function and connection via pidgin client. I am running Citadel 8.24 with WebCit 8.24, server build 8.2 on ubuntu server edition. I have tried connecting to my user account via pidgin, but it seems to not work. My port 5222 which is also set as a default jabber port is opened on my router as well as ports for other functional services. In pidgin settings/advanced I choose security "Use encryption if available" (the other options do not work as well) and I also tick Allow plaintext option (even if not). Despite that settings everytime I try to connect i get "Unknown error". Pidgin Debug log shows me this

(16:02:01) jabber: Recv (ssl)(37): <iq type="error" id="purple152fa73e">
(16:02:01) jabber: Recv (ssl)(41): <error>Don't know howto do 'set'!</error>
(16:02:01) jabber: Recv (ssl)(5): </iq>
(16:02:01) connection: purple_connection_error_reason called with NULL description
(16:02:01) connection: Connection error on 0x7ff96e164310 (reason: 0 description: Unknown error)
(16:02:01) account: Disconnecting account masscream@xmpp.*****.net/ (0x7ff96f1d4530)
(16:02:01) connection: Disconnecting connection 0x7ff96e164310

It is not only pidgin client which has trouble connecting to citadel as a xmpp server and I can't also connect to your server (uncensored.citadel.org) with same trouble. Am I doing anything wrong or is it some kind of issue? Please, help.

 

Tomas



[#] Fri Mar 27 2015 14:12:36 EDT from "Motty Cruz" <motty.cruz@gmail.com> to citadel_support@citadel.org, Motty Cruz <motty.cruz@gmail.com>

Subject: Temporary MTA failure on relaying Amavisd-new Citadel Groupware onUbuntu 14.04

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Hello,
I am trying to configure Amavisd-new with Citadel. I installed Citadel
on Ubuntu using the following guide:
https://www.linode.com/docs/email/citadel/email-with-citadel-on-ubuntu-12-04-lts-precise-pangolin

I enable spamassassin, but I can't figure out how to configure Citadel
to use Amavisd-new. Any suggestions?

Thanks in advance,
Motty

[#] Fri Mar 27 2015 22:47:50 EDT from wylekyote @ Uncensored

Subject: Citadel vs comodo certs

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Trying to get some fresh comodo certs installed..  having a bad time of it.

 

Did the following 

  openssl genrsa -out new.key 2048

 openssl req -new -key new.key -out new.csr 
 
Pasted the new.csr into comodos web form ..  
 
Got back a zip file with
 
AddTrustExternalCARoot.crt
COMODORSAAddTrustCA.crt
COMODORSADomainValidationSecureServerCA.crt
MYDOMAIN.crt
 
 
cp new.key citadel.key
cp new.csr citadel.csr
cp MYDOMAIN.crt citadel.cer
 
restart citadel 
 
 
gets a certificate working but clients are unable to validate -- it appears I need a "intermediate certificate"    There is some instructions on concatenating a intermediate certificate and the MYDOMAIN.crt together to form a citadel.cer file .. but I am not sure which one of the other three files and in what order to concatenate them .. the variations I've tried do not work.
 
 
 
 
 
 


[#] Sat Mar 28 2015 06:39:59 EDT from "Stefan Jakobs" <stefan@localside.net> to room_Citadel_Support <room_citadel_support@uncensored.citadel.org>

Subject: [Citadel Support] Temporary MTA failure on relaying Amavisd-new Citade

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Hi,

Hello,
I am trying to configure Amavisd-new with Citadel. I installed Citadel
on Ubuntu using the following guide:
https://www.linode.com/docs/email/citadel/email-with-citadel-on-ubuntu-12-04-lts-precise-pangolin

I enable spamassassin, but I can't figure out how to configure Citadel
to use Amavisd-new. Any suggestions?

Most people would combine amavisd-new with postfix: --smtp-> postfix --smtp-> amavisd --smtp-> postfix --lmtp-> citadel

But you could also setup amavisd-new as proxy and have citadel listen on some other port:

/etc/amavisd.conf:
...
$inet_socket_port = 25
$forward_method = 'lmtp:/var/run/citadel/lmtp.socket'
$notify_method = 'lmtp:/var/run/citadel/lmtp.socket'

Then disable citadel-mta make it listen on some other port than 25. This setup should work for small sites, but it isn't recommended for sites with a lot of traffic.

Thanks in advance,
Motty

Regards
Stefan



[#] Sat Mar 28 2015 07:28:49 EDT from Currerius @ Uncensored

Subject: Re: Citadel vs comodo certs

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This page helped me with exactly the same Comodo certificate salat:

http://www.devside.net/wamp-server/installing-comodo-positivessl-certificate-bundled-with-root-and-intermediate-ca-certificates-on-apache

Note that the OP managed to mess up the sequence of the certs :D anyway he gives a hint which cert signs which.

I ended up with:

cat AddTrustExternalCARoot.crt COMODORSAAddTrustCA.crt COMODORSADomainValidationSecureServerCA.crt currerius_com.crt > currerius_com_CAbundle.crt
scp -P 443 currerius_com_CAbundle.crt root@currerius.com:/usr/local/share/ca-certificates/
ssh root@currerius.com 'update-ca-certificates'

Note that I did not have it all running and validated yet and I am a newbee to all of this, but for the bundle

openssl verify currerius_com_CAbundle.crt

says it is ok.

 

So I started my journey into Citadel with a half educated (possibly wrong) answer.

Hope it helps nonetheless and please post how you successfully managed to setup the Comodo Cert in the end.

I will need to do exactly the same thing.

Best regards,

Reinhard

 



[#] Sat Mar 28 2015 22:03:03 EDT from wylekyote @ Uncensored

Subject: Re: Citadel vs comodo certs

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Thanks for the reply -- This does get it working (and recognized) on the local machine .. however, it doesn't help external connections .. that one remains a mystery still .. 

 

 

Sat Mar 28 2015 07:28:49 EDT from Currerius @ Uncensored Subject: Re: Citadel vs comodo certs

This page helped me with exactly the same Comodo certificate salat:

http://www.devside.net/wamp-server/installing-comodo-positivessl-certificate-bundled-with-root-and-intermediate-ca-certificates-on-apache

Note that the OP managed to mess up the sequence of the certs :D anyway he gives a hint which cert signs which.

I ended up with:

cat AddTrustExternalCARoot.crt COMODORSAAddTrustCA.crt COMODORSADomainValidationSecureServerCA.crt currerius_com.crt > currerius_com_CAbundle.crt
scp -P 443 currerius_com_CAbundle.crt root@currerius.com:/usr/local/share/ca-certificates/
ssh root@currerius.com 'update-ca-certificates'

Note that I did not have it all running and validated yet and I am a newbee to all of this, but for the bundle

openssl verify currerius_com_CAbundle.crt

says it is ok.

 

So I started my journey into Citadel with a half educated (possibly wrong) answer.

Hope it helps nonetheless and please post how you successfully managed to setup the Comodo Cert in the end.

I will need to do exactly the same thing.

Best regards,

Reinhard

 



 



[#] Sun Mar 29 2015 14:30:44 EDT from Currerius @ Uncensored

Subject: Newbee - how to use Citadel without webkit

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Hi folks,

thanks for developing citadel. I am kind of impressed I have to say.

I spent the last year developing an email server with Haraka, qmail and courier-imap and started yesterday to look into Citadel because I want to avoid unix accounts for each user and all the difficulties following this approach (scaling, LDAP, ...).

What strikes me is the small footprint - courier-imap alone has 60MB installed and the whole citadel-suite is much less ?!

Anyway, my question is:

Where is the documentation for the citadel-server backend?

I want only the MTA and IMAP functionality of citadel in the first place and do not need the webkit frontend. Is this intended, possible, documented?

Best regards,

Reinhard



[#] Sun Mar 29 2015 16:13:44 EDT from dothebart @ Uncensored

Subject: Re: Newbee - how to use Citadel without webkit

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Sun Mar 29 2015 14:30:44 EDTfrom Currerius @ Uncensored Subject: Newbee - how to use Citadel without webkit

Hi folks,

thanks for developing citadel. I am kind of impressed I have to say.

I spent the last year developing an email server with Haraka, qmail and courier-imap and started yesterday to look into Citadel because I want to avoid unix accounts for each user and all the difficulties following this approach (scaling, LDAP, ...).

What strikes me is the small footprint - courier-imap alone has 60MB installed and the whole citadel-suite is much less ?!

Anyway, my question is:

Where is the documentation for the citadel-server backend?

its available on citadel.org

 

 

I want only the MTA and IMAP functionality of citadel in the first place and do not need the webkit frontend. Is this intended, possible, documented?

Best regards,

Reinhard



first - its webCit ;-)

second, you don't need to run it. you can also use the commandline client - which in term is much less comfortable: http://citadel.org/doku.php/documentation:system_administration_manual

Third - you can also run webcit alongside your other web-applications http://citadel.org/doku.php/faq:installation:apacheproxy (which is most probably what you want - even if you use squirrelmail or roundcube etc. as webmailer)



[#] Sun Mar 29 2015 16:48:09 EDT from Currerius @ Uncensored

Subject: Re: Newbee - how to use Citadel without webkit

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Thanks dothbart, sorry, yes, "webCit" like Citadel of course it is :)

The link to the system_administration_manual is definitely what I was looking for. True this is another protocol in itself, but I got used to SMTP and IMAP, so the BBS protocol seems not to bad.

Why on earth comes courier-imap alone with a 60MB footprint when

aptitude install citadel-mta

reports

After unpacking 2,162 kB will be used.

2MB!?!

And after installing citadel is listening and working on all ports?! nc localhost 25 and 143 are working. openssl s_client myserversfqdn:993 working.

My jaw is still on the floor. I had such a hassle coming to terms with qmail, stunnel, openssl, ssh you name it and citadel just fires everything up, even a working webinterface, CMS.

Why on earth would one use anything else, unless there are some downsides? Any thoughts?

Anyway, very interesting and thanks again for my next adventure into FOSS.

R

 



[#] Mon Mar 30 2015 07:42:19 EDT from dothebart @ Uncensored

Subject: Re: Newbee - how to use Citadel without webkit

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Sun Mar 29 2015 16:48:09 EDTfrom Currerius @ Uncensored Subject: Re: Newbee - how to use Citadel without webkit

Thanks dothbart, sorry, yes, "webCit" like Citadel of course it is :)

The link to the system_administration_manual is definitely what I was looking for. True this is another protocol in itself, but I got used to SMTP and IMAP, so the BBS protocol seems not to bad.

Why on earth comes courier-imap alone with a 60MB footprint when

aptitude install citadel-mta

reports

After unpacking 2,162 kB will be used.

2MB!?!

There is. its C ;-) Maybe some of the dependend libraries aren't in these 2mb - berkeley DB, openssl, libical, libsieve, libexpat, libev & libc-ares. But yes, its got a very small footprint and is known to work well on smaller / older hardware.

Imho QMail was a cutting edge solution in terms of security in the late 90'ies. Its further development was mainly hindered by the license, and DJB considering it feature complete. In the end you couldn't run an un-patched qmail, and you ended up loading it with huge chunks of patches, making compilation & installation a nightmare. I think it became obsolete with the appearance of postfix 2.0, Running qmail nowadays i'd mostly consider a question if time has no value.

 

And after installing citadel is listening and working on all ports?! nc localhost 25 and 143 are working. openssl s_client myserversfqdn:993 working.

My jaw is still on the floor. I had such a hassle coming to terms with qmail, stunnel, openssl, ssh you name it and citadel just fires everything up, even a working webinterface, CMS.

Why on earth would one use anything else, unless there are some downsides? Any thoughts?

Anyway, very interesting and thanks again for my next adventure into FOSS.

R

For shure the simplicity comes at some cost; It doesn't implement all features one may imagine an MTA could offer - like being configured as a backup mx, or a relay etc. (as they do already exist, why add another?) However, Citadel brings all what you need to set up a Mail Hub for your users - be it imap clients or webmail users. Thats what its intended for, and thats what it can do very well.

And yes, its ready for service at the snip of a finger.



[#] Mon Mar 30 2015 07:48:54 EDT from dothebart @ Uncensored

Subject: Re: Citadel jabber

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Wed Mar 25 2015 11:17:50 EDT from masscream @ Uncensored Subject: Citadel jabber

Hello,

I need an advice please regarding Citadel jabber function and connection via pidgin client. I am running Citadel 8.24 with WebCit 8.24, server build 8.2 on ubuntu server edition. I have tried connecting to my user account via pidgin, but it seems to not work. My port 5222 which is also set as a default jabber port is opened on my router as well as ports for other functional services. In pidgin settings/advanced I choose security "Use encryption if available" (the other options do not work as well) and I also tick Allow plaintext option (even if not). Despite that settings everytime I try to connect i get "Unknown error". Pidgin Debug log shows me this

(16:02:01) jabber: Recv (ssl)(37): <iq type="error" id="purple152fa73e">
(16:02:01) jabber: Recv (ssl)(41): <error>Don't know howto do 'set'!</error>
(16:02:01) jabber: Recv (ssl)(5): </iq>
(16:02:01) connection: purple_connection_error_reason called with NULL description
(16:02:01) connection: Connection error on 0x7ff96e164310 (reason: 0 description: Unknown error)
(16:02:01) account: Disconnecting account masscream@xmpp.*****.net/ (0x7ff96f1d4530)
(16:02:01) connection: Disconnecting connection 0x7ff96e164310

It is not only pidgin client which has trouble connecting to citadel as a xmpp server and I can't also connect to your server (uncensored.citadel.org) with same trouble. Am I doing anything wrong or is it some kind of issue? Please, help.

 

Tomas



hm, I tried to reproduce this with pidgin-2.10.11; It would show some error on first start, but on reconnecting it would work flawless?



[#] Mon Mar 30 2015 16:00:56 EDT from Currerius @ Uncensored

Subject: Re: Newbee - how to use Citadel without webkit

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Again thanks. And yes, Citadel *really* works on the snap of a finger. I cannot believe it. I did not so much webapplications the last years, but had my share of LAMP stacks, Wordpress CMS and qmail and Citadel beats it all. Now the only thing I have to work out is the cheap Comodo Cert which I have to chain manually. It is already working but not trusted, since the chain is not ok.

There is one thing I would like to point out to you folks and that is

http://haraka.github.io/

I used it with qmail (and that made *all* patches obsolete!) and it rocks and adds the relay capabilities.

Haraka running in front of citadel (moving citadels smtp listener to 2525 and relaying with haraka from 25) is so easy to setup and allows massive concurrency and flexibility.

Just a hint.

I will post back, when SSL is running since it is an open question in the support "room" (such a cool abstraction!).

Kind regards,

R

 



[#] Mon Mar 30 2015 16:09:25 EDT from dothebart @ Uncensored

Subject: Re: Newbee - how to use Citadel without webkit

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[#] Tue Mar 31 2015 10:41:22 EDT from ktamborellialert-data.com @ Uncensored

Subject: Server wont start

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Exit Code 22 when I try to Start



[#] Tue Mar 31 2015 11:52:48 EDT from TaMeR @ Uncensored to Citadel Support <citadel_support@citadel.org>

Subject: Re: how to save month worth of incoming email for all users

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As harryc says Journaling, or you can copy all incoming email via Sieve
to a backup room (folder) and set that room to expire messages older
then 30 days.

The backup room can be public or private, a single room for all
accounts, or admin only room, or user only room. Where flexible as you
can see.

Sieve must be configured for each account, where as Journaling can be
configured side wide.

Journaling I think must be done to an external account, where as Sieve
may be contained with in the same citadel installation.


On 03/24/2015 11:00 PM, Motty Cruz wrote:

Hello All,
I would like to use Citadel, it meets all the requirements my customer
has, except they want to be able to save a month worth of incoming email
in case someone deletes an email. any suggestions?

Thanks,
motty

[#] Wed Apr 01 2015 10:55:37 EDT from Currerius @ Uncensored

Subject: Is it possible to change smtp from 25 to 2525 on the commandline?

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Hi folks,

sorry for posting this in the lobby - I googled the question and was redirected to a thread of posts and appended it at the end and discovered only afterwards that it was the lobby (still a bit unfamiliar with the rooms concept). No flames please.

Is it possible to change smtp from 25 to 2525 *on the linux commandline* (i.e. with the startup scripts)?

Thanks,

Renard



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