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[#] Tue Dec 09 2008 18:59:04 EST from Ford II @ Uncensored

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I'll give you $5 since GM is going out of business...

[#] Tue Dec 09 2008 22:06:11 EST from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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If a car company files for bankruptcy, do all of the vehicles they manufactured turn back into pumpkins?

[#] Tue Dec 09 2008 22:35:54 EST from flynnfx @ Uncensored

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I don't think so - there are still Deloreans out there, aren't there?

[#] Tue Dec 09 2008 23:38:02 EST from Harbard @ Uncensored

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Besides...Saturn is the only successful division of GM AFAIK.  IT would probably get spun off as a seperate company.

[#] Wed Dec 10 2008 07:38:29 EST from Ford II @ Uncensored

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Wouldn't matter, if the loss of gm caused all of gm's suppliers to go out of business, saturn would be pretty SOL.

[#] Wed Dec 10 2008 08:36:29 EST from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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Is Saturn a division of GM or a subsidiary?

[#] Wed Dec 10 2008 09:53:08 EST from Freakdog @ Dog Pound BBS II

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Division, I believe.

[#] Wed Dec 10 2008 14:01:40 EST from Ford II @ Uncensored

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it was a sorta standalone company, they tried really hard to separate them, but a bunch of years ago they sucked them into the fold.

[#] Wed Dec 10 2008 14:03:44 EST from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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Fucked by UAW just like the rest of GM :(

[#] Thu Dec 11 2008 23:35:51 EST from the8088er @ Uncensored

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It's unfortunate. I think saturn was founded on great principles that they've strayed from and now they're like every other car company out there, without an identity of their own. I own a 2004 Saturn Vue which I consider to be a great value (14,000 MSRP when it was new) and very efficient (I push 30 MPG) and I consider it to be part of the "old" Saturn breed before they went and electroniced em all up and went to the steel panels like every other vehicle and ditched just about everythign that made a Saturn a Saturn.

[#] Fri Dec 12 2008 07:53:16 EST from Ford II @ Uncensored

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speaking of fucked by the UAW....

I'm still on the fence if the govt should bail them out, they did make their own mess, why are the taxpayers responsible for bad corporate governance?

[#] Fri Dec 12 2008 08:08:44 EST from Ford II @ Uncensored

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For that matter, why is the government involved at all.
The govt has 700 billion that it's going to give to banks so they'll start lending.
Why not borrow some money from the banks? That's what they're for.
And if the banks don't trust them becuase they're going to piss the money away, then they shouldn't get any.
I think it's rather ballsy and stupid of them to have gone to the govt in the first place.
Bunch of greedy useless assholes.

[#] Fri Dec 12 2008 12:18:32 EST from BOFHMike @ My Castle Wall

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Only good thing about the government bailout if it happens...  May be the end of the UAW. (finally!!!!)

[#] Fri Dec 12 2008 14:13:02 EST from athos-mn @ Uncensored

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Mine is much the same - I liked not having to dink around with the price, I liked the plastic body panels (especially in Minnesota), and I like the 26 MPG I'm getting. Last time I was at the dealership I asked if there was anything actually made in Spring Hill, TN anymore - they didn't know (the answer is no, what few domestic Saturns are left are made in Delaware, the others are rebadged Opals).

 

The car I'm getting has platic body panels, no dinking around with price, 33/41 MPG, and is an import. As well as this car as run, considering how long my previous GM cars have lasted before being sold for parts (>90,000, 120,000), it's got to go.

 

Not really a ringing endorsement to buy my car - but I think Haggard is the only guy here from Minnesota.

Thu Dec 11 2008 23:35:51 EST from the8088er@uncnsrd

It's unfortunate. I think saturn was founded on great principles that they've strayed from and now they're like every other car company out there, without an identity of their own. I own a 2004 Saturn Vue which I consider to be a great value (14,000 MSRP when it was new) and very efficient (I push 30 MPG) and I consider it to be part of the "old" Saturn breed before they went and electroniced em all up and went to the steel panels like every other vehicle and ditched just about everythign that made a Saturn a Saturn.


[#] Fri Dec 12 2008 14:29:27 EST from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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Sadly I have a similar story -- I drove a '97 Saturn SL-1 for nine years, loved the car, the company, the uniqueness of it all and the no-bullshit attitude of the entire experience. Back then it really was a different kind of car company. Today's Saturns are just-another-GM-car.

(I also loved the fact that the engine had a metal timing chain ... I can't understand why everyone doesn't do that, especially with interference engine designs.)

[#] Fri Dec 12 2008 14:34:00 EST from Ford II @ Uncensored

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because they can charge for new timing belt at 60K, and while you're there , you're going to have them do other belts and things as well...

I was surprised (and looked really dumb) at the dealer when I asked them for an appointment to get the timing belt in my gti changed. They looked at me and said "your car doesn't have a timing belt, it has a chain."
What an idiot I felt like, I never looked, I just assumed it was a belt...

[#] Sun Dec 14 2008 23:29:46 EST from the8088er @ Uncensored

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Mine is much the same - I liked not having to dink around with the price,
I
liked the plastic body panels (especially in Minnesota), and I like the
26
MPG I'm getting. Last time I was at the dealership I asked if there was

anything actually made in Spring Hill, TN anymore - they didn't know (the

answer is no, what few domestic Saturns are left are made in Delaware, the

others are rebadged Opals).

For what it's worth I believe the Chevrolet Equinox is produced in Spring Hill. What are you getting, by the way?

[#] Sun Dec 14 2008 23:31:13 EST from the8088er @ Uncensored

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The 2.2L Ecotec in my Vue has a timing chain but I think I'll be replacing it at 120,000 miles. There have been occurances of it breaking, especially in the earlier 2.2Ls when the timing chain oiler failed. I just think it's silly to trash an engine because a small piece like that fails that could have been changed.

[#] Mon Dec 15 2008 10:38:33 EST from athos-mn @ Uncensored

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I'm getting a smart - in my case it'll be very practical: I'm driving by myself 99% of the time, work out of my car, and it's big enough for my tools.

For what it's worth I believe the Chevrolet Equinox is produced in Spring Hill. What are you getting, by the way?


[#] Mon Dec 15 2008 19:44:14 EST from the8088er @ Uncensored

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Ugh... i just don't see the appeal. The gas mileage isn't worth the size of the vehicle and the transmission is supposedly very unresponsive. You could buy a beatle or some other small affordable car and probably have some better driving.

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